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  My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

  by cofty in

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  10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

  12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

  15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

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  Fisherman

  Cofty,

  You’ve ignored what I’ve said. I also refer you to The Watchtower April 1 1954, Question from Readers. I won’t post the information because wt has new terms of using their copyright material by posting it on social media.
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  My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

  12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

  15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

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  cofty, don’t get angry with me. I enjoy having this dialogue with you after so many years.

  Eating an unbled animal found 'already dead' was entirely LEGAL under the Law given through Moses.

  You keep asserting that but I have already posted my reasons to you why you are mistaken in your view.
  
  
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  My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

  12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

  15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

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  Fisherman

  entirely LEGAL under the Law

  Nothing is entirely legal in any legal system, there are always “catch all” laws. For example, in the US the 1A is governed by time, place and manner and the right for JW to go door to door is restricted by Court decision saying that it also depends upon people feeling safe inside their homes. In ancient Israel anyone deliberately breaking the law was subject to death. Of course it didn’t mean that people were put to death but the law made that provision.

  
  
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  My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

  12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

  15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

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  Fisherman

  The law against eating an animal found already dead ONLY applied to priests.

  It is not kosher now and it wasn’t kosher then.
  
  
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  My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

  12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

  15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

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  Fisherman

  would you refuse to receive a blood transfusion if the doctors said it was the only way to save your life and to prevent massive organ damage?

  That is a religious practice of all JW so is not up to an individual’s conscience to accept a bt.
  
  
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  My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

  12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

  15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

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  unlike other Israelites - he hasn't eaten animals found already dead?

  Ezekiel was also an Israelite. Although priests were held to higher standard because of their office, the Mosaic law also forbade the Israelites from going around eating and selling dead animals to fellow Jews. You conclude too much beyond what is stated.
  
  
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  My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

  12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

  15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

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  Fisherman

  TD, your approach in interpreting the act of abstaining from blood in Acts is like Bi1l Clinton. I am trying to look at your view objectively and not as an advocate but your argument that abstaining from blood does not include ingesting a gallon of it because it is taking a different route inside the body instead of digestion is not kosher.

  God commanded Adam not to eat from the forbidden fruit and knowing this could he ingest the fruit some other way or consume it for a different purpose other than eating without violating God’s command?

  One explanation that wt gives is that the early christians did not consume blood for a medical purpose . WT also uses the illustration that if a doctor tells a patient to abstain from a substance such as alcohol or drugs or blood, should the patient ingest it some other way?

  I am not persuaded to believe that if a person consumes a volume of blood via a bt he is abstaining from eating blood because he is ingesting it into his body and consuming it which is what eating basically is although bt is not digested. Keep in mind that the verse actually says abstain without the act ( why, literary device?) from blood. The interpretation is inferred by context and implication. ( What is the decree implying by not specifically saying eating blood? If God told me to abstain from a crankshaft, I wouldn’t even look at one, I’d conclude God was implying to stay away.)

  I sincerely hold you and your commentary in high esteem.
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  My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

  12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

  15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

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  TD,

  At the pure language assembly, it was explained that “Good health to you” was only a greeting, an ending to the letter and not a health promise. I think it is ironic though in my observation , nothing more.

  Nothing can me more simple and more removed from sophistry than if someone consumes 3 quarts of blood, pumping a load of blood into one’s organism he is not abstaining from blood. That is not equivocation. That is axiomatic. Sophistry is explaining how one manages to shove a camel through one’s veins without swallowing it, that is to say abstaining.
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  My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

  12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

  15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

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  Fisherman

  Cofty,

  I too add this to my previous post to you.

  I wanted to point out that the Israelites were commanded not to eat anything dead juxtaposition with your belief that they had permission to eat dead animals with impunity. Also, the verse you reference about a ceremonial wash only deals with if a person eats some of it, the animal found dead. No more is said. It doesn’t give permission with impunity to cut up the whole carcass and eat it or sell it to other Jews which would also be another derivative from your premise.I understand that there is a different standard for eating a nonbled animal that was slaughtered for food —which is your point. Nevertheless, the Israelites were commanded not to eat dead animals. If they ate some of it (and nothing is explained why they ate only if they ate) They couldn’t eat it, let alone touch it without becoming unclean. That was the standard of holiness. It wasn’t permission to eat. The law proscribed eating dead animals.
  
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  My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

  12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

  15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

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  They had permission to go ahead and eat with impunity

  You conclude that permission is implied to go around eating dead unbled animals. We don’t see that practiced by the Israelites in the Bible. Also, there is no Bible evidence ( except for your assumption ) that whole blood inside or outside a living organism is not viewed as sacred to God. Or that Christians have permission from God with impunity to consume the blood of another living organism just because the host is alive.

  Everything considered,you make an excellent point cofty. I thank you for your articles on this subject. Again, I sincerely enjoyed the information.