Jeffro, all you do is go off into tangent irrelevancies such as they are not anointed and mix in your commentary. The issue is not whether or not they are anointed but their testimony in that role whether or not they are ( the parentheses is seen by the reader) . It is axiomatic that if they are lying about being anointed the testimony is bunk. That is not the subject here; it is the consistency of JW teaching and that JW cannot stop teaching 1914 for the reasons I gave. —What a waste of time responding to you.
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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?
by EmptyInside ini'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
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Is it mathematically posible for Noah and his sons to have populated the earth?
by Fisherman inbible says flood occurred approximately 4000 years ago.
that is about *200 generations of breeding to get to the population on earth now.
keep in mind that the population increase is geometric.
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An intelligent person can fill in the gaps in the flood story with the supernatural.
Not as a defense attorney wanting to convince others and not believing the story himself. He must know his client is innocent in-spite of seeming proof against him.
is it the stubborn denial of those you can?
Without solid evidence to stand on, Bible faith is impossible. Take for example Jesus’s miracles and I don’t mean lightning striking twice in the same spot. I mean hundreds or thousands of times to the point of being a fact to the mind of the observer, for example the Apostles. Therefore, Bible faith in Jesus’s words. Given the truth of that evidence and faced with other evidence that seems to challenge or contradict Jesus words doesn’t debunk the truth of Jesus’s words in the minds of the witnesses of the supernatural proof. It does put into question their interpretation of what Jesus meant. But given solid evidence that challenges the truth of Jesus’s words (or of the Bible) a witness would have a dilemma in understanding or believing the challenging evidence such as what you mention. But he wouldn’t stop being convinced in the Bible and mentally he couldn’t dismiss the truth of the challenging evidence. Faced with this dilemma, a witness would choose to believe God’s word because it is supernatural over the natural.
However, the evidence you show is actually interpretation and conclusion of evidence. It is not enough to naturally falsify the flood story. It is not a measurement.
From a believer non witness point of view, the Bible records the flood and the Bible claims to be inspired both OT and NT Bible writers validate the flood and so did Jesus. Therefore, the flood is a Bible truth that can’t be interpreted any other way. The latest JW commentary doesn’t attempt to falsify “scientific” evidence challenging the flood. The focus is that it must be true because God’s word says it is.
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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?
by EmptyInside ini'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
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There is no evidence that anyone is actually ‘anointed’.
I already put the word in parenthesis for you knowing your proclivity to fallacy. Either you intentionally do this believing you can mislead or you can’t grasp the subject and ramble on and on off course. What a waste of time responding to you.
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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?
by EmptyInside ini'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
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But the claim that there are ‘witnesses’ to something happening ‘invisibly in heaven’ is nonsense
Where did the anointed claim they witnessed something going on in heaven?
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Is it mathematically posible for Noah and his sons to have populated the earth?
by Fisherman inbible says flood occurred approximately 4000 years ago.
that is about *200 generations of breeding to get to the population on earth now.
keep in mind that the population increase is geometric.
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Waton,
Maybe not. It’s interpretation.
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Is it mathematically posible for Noah and his sons to have populated the earth?
by Fisherman inbible says flood occurred approximately 4000 years ago.
that is about *200 generations of breeding to get to the population on earth now.
keep in mind that the population increase is geometric.
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Hi Waton
How would they prove that?
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Will the Chinese retaliate someday?
by Fisherman inthat’s all we need, to lose china’s economic friendship.
since the chinese explained it was a friendly balloon, shouldn’t we expect the same from china?.
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nice try to create a precedent though, for later shooting down anything above the South China Sea ( west philippine area)
I was thinking the same thing.
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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?
by EmptyInside ini'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
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resulting in most leaving and a few breakaway sects
You don’t grasp that there are witnesses that testified to the sign that is believed to validate 1914. What are they going to say now, they made it up? There are events integrated with 1914 that are believed to fulfill Bible prophecy such as the Nation against nation, etc. Now disintegrate 1914? The authority of the FDS after the establishment of the Messianic kingdom in the heavens stands on 1914. Say that never happened? The anointed testified they saw a sign aka miraculous proof, empirical evidence from God? And now to say that the sign had nothing to do with 1914 or that they never experienced the sign? JW expect to be vindicated when the great tribulation realizes. JW stands on the establishment of the Messianic kingdom in the heavens in 1914.
The faith of JW does not stand on Bible interpretation but on a perceived and experienced relationship with God. JW want and need the relief the realization of Bible promises will bring but they don’t need any more proof to make their faith any stronger. They are convinced in the resurrection, eternal life on earth and the joy and fulfillment the Bible promises. They will go to their graves believing that even if they don’t see the realization of the end. So nobody is going to leave even if 1914 was abandoned—which is impossible for the reasons I gave, that is to say for true believers. Also, I don’t think most people grasp or realize ir understand- like yourself-the standing of 1914 so even if 1914 was taken away nobody would realize its importance and wouldn’t leave for that reason. But that is just hypothetical because 1914 is whenGod’s kingdom is believed to have started ruling and it is integrated with the theology of JW.
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Is it mathematically posible for Noah and his sons to have populated the earth?
by Fisherman inbible says flood occurred approximately 4000 years ago.
that is about *200 generations of breeding to get to the population on earth now.
keep in mind that the population increase is geometric.
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The genetic bottleneck, the cheetah nearly went extinct about 10K years ago, the number of breeding pairs required with higher mammals, the story just doesn't work.
Thank you TD for your always esteemed and always eagerly anticipated commentary.
There are 2 aspects of the Bible, that the information comes from God and therefore God’s Word and true AND what it means or how a person interprets what the Bible says. For example, before science could prove the contrary, JW interpreted the Bible to say that each day of creation is 7000 years long, but later compared to scientific evidence, science proved that the earth and the universe have been around for a bit longer than that but because the Bible is believed to be the infallible word of God, the interpretation of how long is a day of creation was falsified —but not the Bible. That is to say, the Bible was not falsified to believers like myself that God is the source of the information found in the Bible. You suggest that the Bible story of Noah conflicts with what is believed to be scientific evidence against it. But Jesus and the Christian Scriptures validate the story of Noah as true (that is to say that the story is not allegorical) and not a myth —to believers.
There will come a point at some point in time when believers will either be totally vindicated —or debunked and totally defeated but believers are convinced that will never happen. At present, empirical science hasn’t disproven what the Bible says about Noah inspite of scientific conclusions and beliefs. Nevertheless, your commentary is interesting.
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Will the Chinese retaliate someday?
by Fisherman inthat’s all we need, to lose china’s economic friendship.
since the chinese explained it was a friendly balloon, shouldn’t we expect the same from china?.
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That’s all we need, to lose China’s economic friendship. Since the Chinese explained it was a friendly balloon, shouldn’t we expect the same from China?