Cofty, I understand your point that the blood of a slaughtered creature is not being used in a BT. It is a good point juxtaposition that blood is intrinsically sacred because the soul is in the blood to begin with.
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Basic Blood Questions For Witnesses
by Vanderhoven7 inbasic blood questions for jehovah's witnesses.
where does the bible outlaw blood transfusions?
(acts 15:29 gen.9:4) .
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Basic Blood Questions For Witnesses
by Vanderhoven7 inbasic blood questions for jehovah's witnesses.
where does the bible outlaw blood transfusions?
(acts 15:29 gen.9:4) .
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Fisherman
the blood is no more sacred than the teeth
You keep asserting that.
Without discrediting your point that there is a distinction between the blood of an animal that died on it’s own and the blood of a living animal that was slaughtered for food, I have already refuted your application to BT. Also, whole blood taken from a living organism is not congruent with the blood inside a carcass that cannot be removed because we see tolerances for Christians when eating animals not slaughtered correctly compare to abstaining from blood.
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Basic Blood Questions For Witnesses
by Vanderhoven7 inbasic blood questions for jehovah's witnesses.
where does the bible outlaw blood transfusions?
(acts 15:29 gen.9:4) .
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TD,
I really enjoy your point explaining that abstaining from an object is nonsensical because abstaining refers to conduct usually having to do with consumption such as with ethanol which can also be consumed via IV although as you have kindly clarified, blood is not like alcohol which doesn’t behave like an organ but is solely metabolized when ingested. I think what needs to be clearly understood is what uses of blood are restricted and which are allowed according to the decree. Maybe you can try to explain.
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Basic Blood Questions For Witnesses
by Vanderhoven7 inbasic blood questions for jehovah's witnesses.
where does the bible outlaw blood transfusions?
(acts 15:29 gen.9:4) .
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Fisherman
they are broken down and excreted.
You understand very well that that is not always true because the body can eat itself by catabolizing (sounds like cannibalizing) protein into energy. If that happens to an organ that belonged to a donor, it is serving as a food source. Also, not all hemoglobin that is broken down is excreted. Some can be recycled or metabolized. If you are absorbing, consuming, ingesting, using —or whatever, your own blood, that is what your body naturally does but if you are consuming 1/2 gallon of whole blood that you have ingested or transplanted into your body via IV, how are you abstaining from blood as the decree commands within the definition of abstaining ? In every case in the Bible where conduct is restricted, what conduct is authorized is also defined. No Bible authorized use for blood is defined in the decree. Interestingly, the scriptures go on to explain as I mentioned previously how Christians should not go around investigating whether a meat is kosher for christians which could result in eating prohibited food whereas no further explanation is given on abstaining from blood.
As you pointed out, some vaccines are made from blood —or contain a little blood? and JW can take such vaccines and there is reasoning behind it that you find inconsistent. I’m just guessing but JW decision makers don’t find a reason that using vaccines violates the decree however putting a gallon or a a couple of pints of whole blood into a person’s body for medical reasons that can save a person’s life is understood by JW that it violates the decree.
What is difficult to understand about BT is that obeying God’s commands should result in life or good health but a person that refuses a blood transfusion in a medical emergency can die whereas taking one can either save a person’s life or give the person a chance to live —but with a possible health risk of a deadly disease like the surprise of aids or who knows what other effects to expect years down the line and with other people’s dna and chromosomes running through a person’s veins.
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Basic Blood Questions For Witnesses
by Vanderhoven7 inbasic blood questions for jehovah's witnesses.
where does the bible outlaw blood transfusions?
(acts 15:29 gen.9:4) .
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Fisherman
to frame an argument of similarity (?)
Unlike a kidney transplant or a metal buttress for a broken bone, BT blood is absorbed by the body thereby ingesting it.
My examples are not highlighting relationships but pointing out that when an act such as killing is defined as murder in the Bible and prohibited, the Bible also clearly defines when killing is not prohibited and allowed. Therefore, although there is a difference between eating blood and using blood for medical reasons, the Bible does not sanction any medical use of blood or other use of blood except for ritual, so the Decree ( according to the latest JW commentary ) not only refers to eating blood but also involves medical use in a blood transfusion.
(All of the transfused blood in a BT might not be absorbed right away but similar to the y chromosomes you mentioned that showed up in the blood stream of the mother (assumed true) any trace blood of the fetus will be absorbed or ingested in time by the mother with no evidence of y chromosomes.) -
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Basic Blood Questions For Witnesses
by Vanderhoven7 inbasic blood questions for jehovah's witnesses.
where does the bible outlaw blood transfusions?
(acts 15:29 gen.9:4) .
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TD
I must confess that I enjoy your kind and elegant style.
Moral equivalency is not established by similarity. It is established via a logical construct.
The Bible distinguishes shedding blood with murder. 1 Ch 22:7,8
The Bible distinguishes lawful sex with adultery.
The Bible distinguishes burning incense to gods and as ritual prayer to Jehovah.
The Bible distinguishes the act of drinking wine or eating from a ritual.
The Bible does not distinguish eating blood from ingesting a gallon of it via IV.
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Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24
by Fisherman injerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.
— luke 21:24 .
the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.
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Fisherman
Fisherman, I prefer Jesus' interpretation.
Vidqun, I prefer Jesus’ interpretation, obviously the one I posted. But everyone can have their view.
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Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24
by Fisherman injerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.
— luke 21:24 .
the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.
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Fisherman
The context of the Scripture is at the return of Christ, the time when his kingship is undisputed. In 70CE, Jerusalem had no Davidic king. The only explanation of Gentile times must refer to the period of time from Gentile rule over Jerusalem until the parousia.
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Basic Blood Questions For Witnesses
by Vanderhoven7 inbasic blood questions for jehovah's witnesses.
where does the bible outlaw blood transfusions?
(acts 15:29 gen.9:4) .
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The Governing Body”have decided that this we may take if you wish”
The statement alludes to the Decree in Acts which implies that the fiat is not only from Rome (“we ourselves”) but from God ( “the Holy Spirit”). If that is a myth, the collapse of the house will be catastrophic with no protection from God which the builders claim it is founded on.
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Basic Blood Questions For Witnesses
by Vanderhoven7 inbasic blood questions for jehovah's witnesses.
where does the bible outlaw blood transfusions?
(acts 15:29 gen.9:4) .
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TD,
Very interesting, informative and respected commentary. I don’t want to give you the impression that I don’t appreciate your commentary or that I don’t highly respect you.
Kind regards,
FM