Posts by Fisherman

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The (Shunned) Woman at the Well

by Sea Breeze in

i always found the account of the "woman at the well" to be particulary interesting.

this unknown shunned woman of ill-repute was specifically sought out and chosen by jesus.

why?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el7dzonv3iy&ab_channel=michaelpapale.

Fisherman

in spite of their moral bankrupcy.

In this case she wasn’t Mary Magdalene so her moral bankruptcy is defendable because she was married in all her previous relationships with men. Also factor-in that under Jewish law it was not viewed as moral bankruptcy for a man to have concubines and multiple wives so as a concubine ( not saying she was) she didn’t have to be married to the man. Also she was not a Jew and not really bound by Jewish law but Samaritan practices. Before the law of Moses, Moses father married his aunt, Abraham married his sister, Jacob married 2 sisters. A master could have sex with his slaves and captured women —all morally acceptable.

Even Jesus remarked though, 5 husbands! and living with a man now! But I don’t see her as a harlot or bankrupt , she obviously had issues.

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The (Shunned) Woman at the Well

by Sea Breeze in

i always found the account of the "woman at the well" to be particulary interesting.

this unknown shunned woman of ill-repute was specifically sought out and chosen by jesus.

why?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el7dzonv3iy&ab_channel=michaelpapale.

Fisherman

It was God’s law that sinners were to be punished not man’s so when delegated authority punishes sinners God is vicariously punishing sinners and it is a misrepresentation to say that it’s hunky-dory to commit sins and religious authority is wrong for taking action and point to this woman as an example of being mistreated as if sexual immorality is right and any rebuke she may have gotten was wrong. The guilty becomes the victim and sin and depravity is sanctified. Zacheus the despised tax collector is another example of how people can repent and God’s love and mercy and compassion. Don’t use these examples to vilify the condemnation of sin (shun) because any ostracism came vicariously from God and condemn the righteous and victimize the sinner. ( It is so funny watching on the media how people living depraved lives act tike victims when society is outraged. ) The moral of the Samaritan woman’s story is that God understands and sees the heart and forgives and mitigates what a person did in the past and forgives like a father without holding a grudge. It’s not about it’s wrong to shun or punish wrongdoers.

hard to understand how you could conclude this

I try reading. For example she articulated belief in the Messiah to come. That takes faith. Faith is a virtue.—One example of something I read in the Bible.

Nobody comes to the Father except through me.

by Fisherman in

“i am the way the truth and the life nobody comes to the father except through me,”.

this means that nobody but christian are saved according to jc.

according to wt, only jw are christians.

Fisherman

“I am the way the truth and the life NOBODY comes to the Father except through me,”

This means that nobody but Christian are saved according to JC. According to WT, only JW are Christians. Albeit that the standard has to be validated, JC said that only Christian can be saved.

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The (Shunned) Woman at the Well

by Sea Breeze in

i always found the account of the "woman at the well" to be particulary interesting.

this unknown shunned woman of ill-repute was specifically sought out and chosen by jesus.

why?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el7dzonv3iy&ab_channel=michaelpapale.

Fisherman

What makes you think she was not an outcast in her community before she met Jesus at the well?

What makes you think she was? Where does it say that in the Bible?

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The (Shunned) Woman at the Well

by Sea Breeze in

i always found the account of the "woman at the well" to be particulary interesting.

this unknown shunned woman of ill-repute was specifically sought out and chosen by jesus.

why?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el7dzonv3iy&ab_channel=michaelpapale.

Fisherman

Samaritans were shunned by the Jews

All were shunned not just this woman. In fact all non-Jews were viewed as little dogs but the subject here is this woman and her sins and her drawing water later in the day is what I was specifically addressing. She was not an outcast in the Samaritan community.

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The (Shunned) Woman at the Well

by Sea Breeze in

i always found the account of the "woman at the well" to be particulary interesting.

this unknown shunned woman of ill-repute was specifically sought out and chosen by jesus.

why?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el7dzonv3iy&ab_channel=michaelpapale.

Fisherman

Don’t people read the Bible. Jesus doesn’t apologize because he is perfect. The woman wasn’t shunned, she was ridiculed and humiliated for her sinful lifestyle by other women. She had been married a whole bunch of times so she must have been very beautiful. She was ashamed to be around the other women because they could mock her for having so many men. But she wasn’t an apostate or a rebel. She was a believer. After the encounter with Jesus she told everybody about him. She articulated hope on the Messiah to come. But socially in her religious community, she was being scorned because of her sexual reputation. Obviously she wasn’t vicious, hateful, angry, vindictive, cunning retaliatory and spurner of her faith. Also, JC saw in her virtues that qualified her for repentance and salvation, —Even to go to heaven and be a king with him as JW see it. God sees the whole picture in one’s life and knows the heart. “ My father is looking for such like ones to worship him.”

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New convention video: Do you see what I see?

by neat blue dog in

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Fisherman

A beard can mean waiting a loooong time—patience. Or maybe everyone is waiting for him to shave it off soon.

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Nisan 14 or not?

by LostintheFog1999 in

if jesus memorial meal is meant to follow on from the jewish passover celebration, would someone explain to me why the jehovah's witness community are holding their "lord's evening meal" on tuesday 4th april; when the jewish community are not holding their 2023 passover until the 5th april 2023?

doesn't this mean that the jehovahs have got their date wrong?.

https://www.londonworld.com/read-this/passover-2023-what-is-passover-dates-and-greetings-4091833.

Fisherman

“That meal ( Last Supper) took place late on Thursday evening, March 31, 33 C.E. Jesus died on a torture stake on Friday afternoon, April 1.” WT 4/15/04

Obviously the Last Supper was not on “Good Friday” evening cuz JC was dead. A little thinking is involved just a tiny bit.

For those who do not like to think:

https://www.hebcal.com/converter?gd=1&gm=4&gy=0033&g2h=1you

no Rabbi, Pharisee or Sadducee would be caught dead ‘working’ on convicting Jesus on those days, no mob would have formed.

LOL. horsefeathers and drivel. I’ve personally witnessed ( with others!) a mob of orthodox jews beat a man on the ground senseless on the Sabbath.

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Dalai Lama asking boy to suck his tongue after kissing the child on his lips.

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

the dalai lama has apologised after footage showed him asking a boy if he wanted to suck the tibetan spiritual leader's tongue.. .

his office said he wanted to apologise to the child and his family "for the hurt his words may have caused".. .

the video also shows the dalai lama kissing the child on his lips.. soon after the pope alleged peodo activity .

Fisherman

obviously blessing this child..

Thank you DD. I didn’t know. An example of misrepresentation. That puts a different spin on the incident. Don’t subscribe to such craziness but no malicious intent. It just seemed unthinkable that such an act could be normal church practice.

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Nisan 14 or not?

by LostintheFog1999 in

if jesus memorial meal is meant to follow on from the jewish passover celebration, would someone explain to me why the jehovah's witness community are holding their "lord's evening meal" on tuesday 4th april; when the jewish community are not holding their 2023 passover until the 5th april 2023?

doesn't this mean that the jehovahs have got their date wrong?.

https://www.londonworld.com/read-this/passover-2023-what-is-passover-dates-and-greetings-4091833.

Fisherman

TD,

What I conclude( and I could be wrong) when reading wt literature compared to Nu 33:3 is that the Jews began to leave Egypt on Passover day Nisan 14 —that’s why it’s called Passover—but they left in stages as verses 1-5 show. Although they departed from Ramses on Nisan 15 later on, the Passover already began on Passover day after Passover (the meal on the evening prior). WT commentary also notes that there is dispute between Jewish groups such as Caraites and Rabbinical and the Samaritans whether or not Passover meal is on the beginning or end of Nisan 14 and cites Ibn Ezra supporting Nisan 14 beginning. But the fact that Jesus celebrated the passover at the beginning of the day of Nisan 14 validates to JW that it is not on Nisan 14 end with Nisan 15 the following daylight morning as you imply is when the Exodus began.