Posts by Fisherman

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Fisherman

You continue to expect answers from everyone else, having provided no evidence for any of your own claims,

The onus is on you to show that science proves -588. I don’t see how your rhetoric validates -588.

It seems to me that the related algorithm should be based on a modern day observed sky or on a proven sky or an explanation of how the -588 results have been derived would help persuade the ciel cart results . It also needs to be proven that Neb’s 37th year is in fact his 37th year and that the Bible date of Neb’s 18th year at destruction of Jerusalem have the same basis.

In other words, we need to know for a fact the true -588/-568 sky. You have failed to prove that on this thread. We need to know if Neb’s 18th an 37th year have the same common denominator. We also need to know the year of the vat 4956 sky which you show is -588 according to your non validated algorithm describing a circa June 29 solstice.

Thus far your presents are interesting but not persuasive enough to convince.

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Fisherman

honest readers who might also want to know about the method used

Thanks again for kindly posting the data and its source. State the facts and answer the questions if you like and let everybody believe what they like. Don’t get so upset and emotional about it.

I don’t remember reading your solstice argument anywhere before but it has been many years since I’ve I really focused on this -607 topic which you are highlighting solstice . I have some questions about the computation and algorithm that derives the date of the solstice. Are these results written in stone or are there tolerances and variables of error and is the programming based on belief or fact? I am not attempting to undermine the integrity of the program. For example as you already know, we JW believe -607 based on our interpretation of Bible chronology not based on science or archeology although using them to try to give support to our interpretations and JW publish not only our beliefs but also how and why. I know in the past, WT challenged c14 dating and stand firm on Noah’s flood based on validation by JC vis-à-vis scientific interpretation of geology, etc.

—But my above commentary is immaterial to what can be concluded from the evidence for and against -588/-568 which is my only interest under this thread.

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Fisherman

Jeffro

Thanks for the data.

How do you know or by what authority are the actual dates of the solstices for -568/-588?

How is the solstice in vat 4956 extrapolated?

(I think what you are trying to show is the mismatch between the scientifically established solstice for -568 (location ancient Bavel) and the other scientific solstice dated -588 for the same location compared to the extrapolated date of vat 4956 should correspond with or be in phase with the correct or actual solstice? In other words, using the scientifically established -568 solstice, vat 4956 solstice is in phase with 568?) The opinion of we JW is that the related vat describes -588. You have not replied to wt 2011 moon phases described in the vat in phase with -588 and out of phase with -568 in support of -588.

Also since you like going off into tangents, show how you have answered my questions before and not where you've posted information claiming that the information answers my questions. Show how any disingenuousness asserted by you I have affects the validity of your information and also show the relevance of your remarks —now that we are were are wasting time with your personal feelings. These diversion tactics of yours evade the questions and attempts to color your argument the way you feel unless you can explain how you feelings substantiate the data. Let’s continue to waste time with fallacy on this posting your dumbass rhetoric and responding to it and stop focusing on the subject.

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Fisherman

An eclipse that is explicitly 6 days after the solstice cannot occur on 15 July, for the same reason that the solstice cannot occur on 9 July.

Why is that?

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Fisherman

Not the question I ask. I am asking for the benefit of everyone following your debate with scholar in simple terms why was it physically impossible for the lunar eclipse to have occurred as wt sees it. Your explanation.

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Fisherman

Jeffro although obvious to you and to others. A lot of people can’t grasp why it is physically impossible.

This is a very very interesting point. You should explain

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Why did you leave the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i've never been a witness so i never left.

graeme hammond writes:.

for some years i’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: i was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, i felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and i was drained by their demands on my time.

Fisherman

my point was JW interpret the Bible to suit their agenda

Believe as you wish. Commentary on the Scripture you cited can be found in the JW library also explaining the difference with brothers during the separation of sheep and goats.

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Fisherman

Jeffro you failed to provide evidence authenticating the related vat.

Stop requesting (demanding) information that has already been clearly provided.

Neither requesting nor demanding. Explain why. Not challenging you on this.

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Why did you leave the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i've never been a witness so i never left.

graeme hammond writes:.

for some years i’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: i was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, i felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and i was drained by their demands on my time.

Fisherman

That however is not what Jesus said. Matt 12:50" For WHOEVER does the will of my Father who is in heaven, that one is my brother and sister and mother

You are going off into a tangent. Interpret the Bible as you wish. My point to Van is: That is how JW interpret the Bible.

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Fisherman

understand that you need to be able to discredit VAT 4956 because it contradicts your religious superstitions.

You are deluded. Again, all I am asking is for evidence. I will form my own opinions without your rhetoric.

An argument that the Bible is the word of God is found in wt publications and you know where to find it if you like. And if God exists empirical evidence aka convincing evidence or proof aka miracle or as you label it magic can only come directly from God. It is a personal conclusion like those on 1CE that concluded Jesus was the Messiah. Many did not believe. But let’s stick to vat 4956 which is very interesting and the subject matter here. You’ve highlighted some very interesting points such as June 29 year after year. Can you explain in detail the significance of the solstice affecting the lunar eclipse. You should go into detail explaining why the sky was -568 instead of attacking scholar and other posters. The wt 2011 article goes into the moon lining up with -588 (and not with -568) substantiating -607. Also, the insertion of the month by greedy politicians as highlighted by scholar is plausible. That is the subject here: 568 vs 588.