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  JW current stance on Vaccines?

  by lcarter017 in

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  it came to my attention that the covid-19 vaccine works by editing the genetic code of the mitochondrial dna, using gene therapy.. you should seriously question the moral implications of allowing a part of your dna to be modified.

  does anyone have any concerns about this?if anyone has any questions, i can do my best to explain.

  i personally find it very suspicious how they chose to word it, and conveniently inform us of this fact "after" people have taken the vaccine..

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  Fisherman

  I was wondering if blood is used in the manufacture of vaccines. Not that blood has to be an ingredient such as in Rabies Vaccine but when making the vaccine do they use any blood in the process? How about it TD?
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  "How Long Would Jesus' Reign Be?"

  by BoogerMan in

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  simple enough question for a jw to answer, because the org has told them for over 100 years that, .

  a) jesus would reign for 1000 years, and.

  b) that his reign began in 1914 when he became king.

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  SBF

  “The seventh angel blew his trumpet. And there were loud voices in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world has become the Kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.” “—Rev 11:15
  

  The Millennium is only part of it.
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  "How Long Would Jesus' Reign Be?"

  by BoogerMan in

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  simple enough question for a jw to answer, because the org has told them for over 100 years that, .

  a) jesus would reign for 1000 years, and.

  b) that his reign began in 1914 when he became king.

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  so time as we know it would have started then.

  Time is part of God, maybe.

  I understand time as the length between 2 events or change. Time existed with God before the universe. There was a point in time when only the King of Eternity existed. But as the scripture pointed out God changes time and seasons inside the universe so time inside the universe doesn’t govern God but God governs time according to one interpretation of the verse, making time proscriptive whereas God is descriptive defined by his fundamental qualities and other descriptions too —maybe one of those descriptions is time too.

  If it makes any sense God’s existence by himself is not idle. He is alive and active and there is a length of time between one aspect of his existence compared to another. So, I suppose it is possible to measure length of time in heaven using a physical standard counting back in time: a google to the google power years from the time God created Jesus to the time God felt something all by himself or between two other events inside God’s mind or person. As someone brilliantly posted, God experiences the same time we do differently.

  No matter how you cut it though, 108 years of Satan after 1914 is not a short period of time if people are expecting change compared to one’s lifetime.
  
  
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  "How Long Would Jesus' Reign Be?"

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  simple enough question for a jw to answer, because the org has told them for over 100 years that, .

  a) jesus would reign for 1000 years, and.

  b) that his reign began in 1914 when he became king.

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  Viquin

  A day is like a thousand years to God and vice versa. So, if 24 hours is like a thousand years to God but to us it is a short period of time. And if a thousand years is like 24 hours to God but to us that is a very long period of time what did Peter mean in the context of when exactly God takes action, that is to say “the last days” which although Peter under inspiration was referring to thousands of years in the future when Jesus would return in kingdom power, Peter no doubt personally concluded in error that he was referring to that contemporary period of time in his inspired letter that he was writing to his fellow Christians back then.

  God did take action back then when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem as Jesus foretold. The ridiculers that didn’t flee from Judea as Jesus warned Christians to were sadly decimated by Titus whereas Christians that exercised clear thinking and ran to the hills averted God’s wrath on the Jewish nation. The letter was a prophetic warning back then and also applies to the future when the Christ actually returns when nobody expects except those that have identified the last days as the letter infers.

  Obviously, John and the congregations in Revelation were still waiting for Jesus to return in the manner described in the Bible with the grand and final fulfillment and blessings of Bible prophecy which did not happen immediately after Titus razed Jerusalem. Obviously John waited and died but was convinced with the proof of visions and miracles that it would surely happen then. But other Christians lost faith while others died convinced —same as JW too also are convinced.

  But getting back to the application of the scripture you cited that a thousand years or a 24 hourday is all the same to God ( interpreting and expanding on the meaning of Ps 90:4 )referring to slowness Christians were apparently experiencing, the focus shifts from God being slow implying Christian doubt: “Why is it taking God so long?”” It is about time the Scripture should be fulfilled but nothing is happening.” Peter shifts to how God feels: Although God is not affected by time, he experiences patience—imagine that. That is why it is taking so long. God is waiting for everybody to repent.

  When Jesus died and paid the ransom, God could have taken action back then but he didn’t ( compare Alan F. Treatise and prior to that “Knowledge Book” on the Ransom subject ) because there are other factors, Satan’s removal from power and allowing enough time to give everybody an opportunity to repent. Human suffering continues.

  Words like short and soon and quickly used prophetically in the Bible do not refer to actual length of time.
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  "How Long Would Jesus' Reign Be?"

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
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  simple enough question for a jw to answer, because the org has told them for over 100 years that, .

  a) jesus would reign for 1000 years, and.

  b) that his reign began in 1914 when he became king.

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  Yes, God's time scale is different from ours.

  That is totally irrelevant because God would need to communicate with people in a language that people can understand and relate to. So when the Bible says shortly, it should mean shortly as humans experience time and not as God experiences time. Like telling someone, I’ll see you soon and they die of old age and you never show up and the person dies waiting because to you the word soon means a couple thousand years.
  
  
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  "How Long Would Jesus' Reign Be?"

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  simple enough question for a jw to answer, because the org has told them for over 100 years that, .

  a) jesus would reign for 1000 years, and.

  b) that his reign began in 1914 when he became king.

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  He experiences time very differently than people do

  So when the Bible uses the term tomorrow, God means a thousand years from today or even longer. That’s funny. Obviously, God understands how humans measure time inside the universe and the terms people use to describe lengths of time so if God wanted people to know “when”, the Bible would speak in those terms but in Genesis a day doesn’t mean 24 hours and “short” and “quickly” actually mean a very long time in Revelation as human experience time. So,Bible terms about experiencing time are totally meaningless to people since thousands of years is not actually quick and a century is not actually short. The words are used to keep people in constant expectation and on their guard. They also appease and assure and limit and warn. For example,100 years and going = “And just a little while longer and then wicked one will be no more..”
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  "How Long Would Jesus' Reign Be?"

  by BoogerMan in

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  2. beliefs

  simple enough question for a jw to answer, because the org has told them for over 100 years that, .

  a) jesus would reign for 1000 years, and.

  b) that his reign began in 1914 when he became king.

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  In Revelation the Bible describes the Millennium occurring after Armageddon.

  Before Armageddon, Revelation describes Jesus as “now have come to pass…the kingdom..” so Jesus rulership begins before Armageddon. How long Jesus rules before Armageddon is a good guess.

  After Armageddon, Revelation describes the Millennium as 1000 years in length assuming it means a solar year times a thousand and a thousand literarily means the quantity 1000. Can we be sure that the “Millennium” is literally 1000 solar years long with the book of Revelation describing itself as being symbolic? Let me know. Also don’t confuse believing with knowing.
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  "How Long Would Jesus' Reign Be?"

  by BoogerMan in

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  2. beliefs

  simple enough question for a jw to answer, because the org has told them for over 100 years that, .

  a) jesus would reign for 1000 years, and.

  b) that his reign began in 1914 when he became king.

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  It does however become increasingly incredible to view 1914 - present as a “generation”, plus the devil was cast down following 1914 “knowing that he has a short period of time”. That “short period” is now well over 100 years and counting,

  100 years is obviously not a short period of time —literally. “Short , soon, a little while” can be spiritualized or poetized to mean just about any guess. When you tell someone I’ll be there shortly, you are implying that they are going to have to wait. A century later is not shortly though. But Jesus also told the congs in Revelation that he was coming quickly 2 thousand years ago. Time did pass quickly for us alive today but actually 2 thousand years later is a very long time. Time passed quickly from billions of years ago too but that is not saying much. The words are literary device describing certainty bur not length of time. 2000 years is quick and 100 years is short.

  No doubt God will make his word come true but obviously you cant interpret words like short period or quickly on their face.
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  Lots of empty seats at Jehovah's Witnesses Convention in Tucson, Arizona

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  https://youtu.be/5926nhzyz90.

  the jehovah's witness 2023 convention theme is, ''exercise patience''...by looking at the attendance at this tucson, arizona convention, it should be changed to, '' jehovah's witnesses...running out of patience''.

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  Less congregations in each convention so less people. Less than 2k?
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  Anyone know what this sculpture is of the "torture stake?"

  by charity7 in

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  hey guys!

  i'm new on this site and am a non jw here married to a jw.

  my husband's family are active members and they daily post articles on facebook from jw.org which i know is meant for me to see and read.

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  “Just like Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, the son of man must also be lifted up.” —No cross beam.

  Just like nehushtan was idolized, so is Jesus.