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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

Fisherman

FJToth.

I skimmed through your article that you linked. I dont agree about your conclusions about NHK are accurate or that they fairly describe the man. On the other hand the man was modest and humble and found the time to be active in the ministry inspite of his busy schedule. As you may recall, when he had to give up power,( I know he was ill) but even before his ilness, the man did not oppose, Understandibly he kicked but he went along. Many good things can be recognized about the man by those who knew him.

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How do you deal with telemarketers?

by Outaservice in

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Fisherman

I reported them. I called the Police. I called Fedral Agencies. I call the Attorney General. They cannot do anyhing according to them. THey told me to change my phone number. I won't.

I bought an automated receptionist It talks for 3 minutes and then you have to push 1 2 3 or four. Round and around you go. THey still keep calling I see, but they cant leave a message and they cant speak to anyone. I give my friends the code to bypass the auto or if your have a lot of time to waste you can leave a message. Hopefully in a couple of years I can get them from bugging me or maybe they will get locked up for aggravated harrasment.

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...How Long did You Lurk?...

by OUTLAW in

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when i first found this place,i did not want to post.i wanted to see what was going on,and get a feel for the place..getting into a debate with some of the "meat eaters" here,was not at the top of my list of things to do..lol!

!..now this place is my cyber home..(thanks simon!

)..so my question is:how long did you lurk before you decieded to take a chance and make your first post?...outlaw

Fisherman

You hang in there Jag. Life is hard man. Keep fighting back.

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...How Long did You Lurk?...

by OUTLAW in

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when i first found this place,i did not want to post.i wanted to see what was going on,and get a feel for the place..getting into a debate with some of the "meat eaters" here,was not at the top of my list of things to do..lol!

!..now this place is my cyber home..(thanks simon!

)..so my question is:how long did you lurk before you decieded to take a chance and make your first post?...outlaw

Fisherman

Outlaw

At first, I go so upset reading posts that challenged the wts. but then I thought that there may not be something wrong to have an honest healthy discussion where people expressed how they really felt and not saying beh beh.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

Fisherman

Jay:

"and every eye will see him" referring to Jesus comming THis event has not come to pass.

"when the son of man is revealed"

I dont thinks that scholars views are necesssarily true. WE have to wait and see. I am not saying that the wts teaching on parousia is the only explanation. Maybe the wts will carefully back away from the teaching in time. I would like to read what modern scholars are saying about it too. COJ gave me a different perspective though about Jesus enthronement. I have to do a lot of thinking on this again. But no one will ever know for sure, Did you ever read something outside the Bible saying"THis is what the soverogn lord...has said"

Scholastic opinions are always written or given in such a way as to allow the commentator a way out if his conclusion is shown to be wrong strikingly. I do not think that the definition of parousia, even a modern view can clear up waht God meant.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

Fisherman

Ann!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

" A leap of Faith" One cannot even establish that the Bible is the word of God. It takes........

Regarding the cong of Lao and Jesus siting on the throne. I want to cite an example : in the book GTO, COJ comments on Jesus words "I saw satan falling..." what did Jesus mean. COJ explains that satan had not fallen yet. HIs view is very persuasive when coj explains that satan was defeated when jesus died and could not threat the woman and the child anymore. Anyway, Coj expalins that although Jesus said that he saw satn falling, that event had not yet occured.

THe Bible is like that ANN. It is not a text book it is an ambiguous poetic and ironic riddle.

Jesus told his disciples"To you it has been granted to understand the sacred.. of the kindom.. to those outside it is not granted" According this statement, one can derrive that only Jesus disciples can understand certain things. Ithink that it was minimus that said one can use the Bible to PROVE anything. Even wts teaching on the pararousia is at the very least possible.

Did you read AF's article on the ransom? WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AF's article puts into question a lot of things but he doesnt know for a fact and neither do I if the ransom teaching and the doctrines about having to earn salvation and to suffer again after Jesus paid are true.

Its paid for. No more debt. I have never read anything so persuasive than that. I am sure that article has not only influenced my thinking but that of millions!!

And yet we have to wait and see because we dont know. To be safe I accept the ransom and have my sins forgiven. But after reading that article I do not pretend to profess that I understand the ransom. It does not make sense to me. But who am I? And who said that things have to make perfect sense?

But none of this disproves wts dogmas or doctrines about parousia.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

Fisherman

Steve thanks for your response.

Evidently you know a thing or 2 about the Bible. THe Bible is ambiguously written. Using to the context rule does not always provide the answer. Case in point: Suffering servant of Isaiah.Context is the Nation of Israel, interpreted meaning, the Messiah, Christain interpretation Jesus.

While context can be used in some cases, there are exeptios to the rule.

Anyway, as you agree I hit the nail.

I hit post 539.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

Fisherman

I would like to say something about this long debate about the definition or meaning of parousia..

I think that the wts meaning is possible. I dont know Bible Greek. But I have read everything that the wts wrote on it and rebuttals and I have skimed though this ongoing discussion.

I dont not think that the wts definition can be eliminated I also don't think that sholars can agree or pin down that ist doesn't mean what the wts teaches.

Here is the catch all: What did God mean when he inspired that thought Parousia?

(BY this statement I am not trying to argue that God inspired it, all that I am saying is that it is not possible to conclusively eliminate the wts definition because no one kows for sure what God meant)

HEre is a thought regarding the belief that Jesus was enthroned after his ascencion immediately: If that is true why does the book of Rev teach that Jesus had not yet come again.. "things that must shortly take place.." "I am comming quickly.." all of this is FUTURE. Jesus having been glorified some 60 years previously.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

Fisherman

Alan Feuerbacher

This guy is great. I just noticed AlanF and then realized that could be him. Very interesting articles. Thought provoking. Until reading the articles by the AF, I never even considered that point of view. I am not saying that I agree with his conclusions, but his work is worthwhile reading. Great worthwhile stuff.

I am not suggesting the jw read any works that are in violation of what they are told to do. I mean that I enjoyed reading and thinking about his articles. Again, great stuff.Sometheing to think about.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

Fisherman

Alan;

Are you Alan Feuerbacher?

AD Alan I see what you are saying. I have to look more at this.