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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

Fisherman

In conclusion, Ann and AD the verses that you cited and the verses that you quoted and your arguments, and your logic do not prove that the kingdom began in the 1st century as you interpret the Bible. In consideration of 3w arguments defending the wts on this topic don't prove that the kingdom began in 1914 either.

I do agree with ANN when she says that a voice from heaven or something to that effect will tip the scales.

I enjoyed reading many publications advertised on this site on this topic. Very informative reading that have enriched my perspective on topics that I previously only had a set view on.

Thanks for kindly reading my posts on this topic,

Fisherman

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

Fisherman

ANN:

The verse that you posted does not prove that the Messianic kingdom began in the 1st, that is what the wts shows.

I can cut and paste scriptures like crazy if I wanted to. But I dont. Kindly quote the verses ift you want me to read them if you want.

In a previous rebuttal to AS I gave an example of God as the universal sovereign sitting on his throne, yet Jesus taught his disciples to pray "Let your kingdom come". The Bible also says"YHWH has become king" What are your views?

The wts explains that in connection with the annointed in the 1st century Jesus ruled as king. The wts explains that there are 2 kingdoms.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

Fisherman

AS

It seems to me that you ar convinced in what you believe. It also seems to me that you mean well when you say that I am confused and that I should study and so on. I think that is funny, but for the reasons I stated above, I will remain silent. Lets move on.

I also respect your views on what you have posted about how one should read and study the Bible. I want to make that clear to you. Thank you for your suggestions. I never want you to misunderstand any of my posts and take offense. It is with the the utmost humility and as I have previously said that I admit that I don't know what the Bible means for certain and I do not pretend to know. I do know wts thinking and I also know various perspectives and thoughts on the Bible, however nothing is of my own originality or of my own personal conclusions. I do analyze and compare diverse views on a subject and compare such views after reviewing the Bible with each perspective, sometimes using many translations and finally if I am able to do so making a determination of what makes sense to me. The basis for my views is wts commentary and or other commentators.

Regarding when Jesus began to rule as king. I dont know. I think that 1914 is possible using wts logic. I admit that I cannot let go of the date. The fact the generation definition changed and previous other dates did not realize suggests that the wts can also be wrong on 1914.

But I also admit the "apostates" views are also possible on 1st century rule. The strong point that I need more info on is on the 2 kingdoms. The wts teaches that in the 1st century "The kingdom of ..love" began wherein Christ rules as king over.... ,according to the wts as COJ highlights. 2 Kingdoms? Thats too much I think. COJ explains more on this. But I have a problem with 2 kingdoms. I have to reflect on this more and I need examine more presents on these views.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

Fisherman

AS

I never used techonological advances in support of 1914. I only posted schepticism about the date. I never supported that date in my posts.

You are not the only one that reads the Bible and prays for God's help. Going to sleep. WE will talk more. I have an open mind.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

Fisherman

I want to bring to your attention to what you say I did and did not do. I also want bring attention to what you say I meant. You conclude that I seem to indicate that reading the Bible is futile, again you are forming many opinions. I am not going to say what you meant when you posted the statement about reading the subject in the Bible as you say you did.

I said that it is not possible to read the bible as you say. You say that I am saying that it is because it is futile. Is it not possible that I am saying this because I have done it? You do not know what I have done or do you?

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

Fisherman

AS

First I never want you to think that I am being sarcastic or disrespectful to your view or comments.

I am not an advocate or a defender on this post only a reseacher. Interestingly you say nothing about the teaching of 2 kingdoms that Jesus is supposed to rule over according to wts doctrine that COJ highlights in his book. That is what doesnt make sense to me in wts doctrine. Did you mention that?

There are many things in the book of REv that cannot be seen but only with the mental eye. Satan's eviction from heaven cannot be seen and other things. So your argument that the child does not mean the birth of God's kingdom because it cannot be seen does not make sense.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

Fisherman

I undersatnd what you mean AS about letting the Bible interpret itself but I still think that it is important to consider what experts say about what is the meaning. Can everyone be right? Is jesus God Almighty or not either he is or he isnt. REad the Bible on this subject. Some people say he is some people say he isnt. I have concluded that Jesus is not Almighty God but I respect the views of others who say that they have read the Bible with the aid of the Holy spirit and believe that I am wrong. They tell me to read the Bible without any influence on the subject and I will see it their way then I say you read the Bible in prayer and seek for God's help. They say I read the Bible, I prayed to God I still believe jesus is God. I say always when I read the Bible I pray for God's help to understand the meaning and I did that as you suggested and I still believe that Jesus is God as if God was helping him all along and not me.

THis discussion diverts attention from the main issue which is 1st century kingdom.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

Fisherman

AS

How do you know that when I said Bible I was not refering only to the many verses about the kingdom in the context of our discussion?

1380

The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

Fisherman

AS

You claim that you came to your conclusions specially on the kingdom on your own without any influence but not so with other parts of the Bible. But you were already influenced when you considered the kingdom because you admit that you had help with other parts.

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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness in

think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

Fisherman

Assumption. You do not know what I have done. You have not responded to my arguments and to the scriptures that I cited about authority and kingdom but also what do you have to say about the comments that I posted on REv .