Since the wts supports their authority as coming from God, they can do anything that they want within Bible guidelines as the wts interprets what the Bible means, so a bible verse can support having the books study and that is why a book study existed, when there is another underlying reason to eliminate the book study, it is not hard to find another bible verse to support the new position, if it becomes necessary again to have a book study or to add something or to change something all that has to be done is to go through the bible and use some perceived pattern or believed principle, after all the wts is GOD’S GOVERNMENT. I think that the underlying reason is not to give the jws more time to devote to spiritual pursuits and preparation, I’m sure the majority of jws will still not spend more time reading wts books even with no book study. So, why no book study? I think that there are always 3 underlying reasons behind the wts policies 1 financial 2 legal 3 practical or corporate. The wts religion already determined that it is essential to educate and to provide social, psychological, emotional and spiritual support to its members and that cannot be done by going to church for an hour or so each week. Such support requires the program that the wts dishes out as meetings and as they see fit, they will adjust the program. If it was up to me I would have eliminated the service meeting. The wts always gives spiritual reasons based on the bible for their actions but I think that the underlying reasons I stated are the real reasons behind or in addition to the spiritual reasons they give.
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WT backtracking fast on Book Study -High Gas Prices
by stillajwexelder inso tonight the congregation discussed the front page of the october km -the new meeting schedule.
straight away it was emphasized it was not because of high gas prices that the meetings were being reduced.
it was pointed out that in parts of the world the brothers do not have cars so it was not high gas prices.
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...Are Jehovah`s Witness`s Christian`s?...
by OUTLAW inchristians recognize "jesus",as the mediator between god and man.....jehovah`s witness`s recognize the "watchtower bible and tract society",as the mediator between god and man.....jesus is out of a job!
!..the wbt$ fired him a long time ago!..lol!
!......................jehovah`s witness`s don`t follow the words of jesus.they follow the words of the wbt$.....are jehovah`s witness`s christian`s?...................................outlaw
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Not only the jws outlaw, but all churches mediate between jesus and the indiviual. You always need the church and you cannot get salvation through christ without the church and you also have to subscibe church doctrines and dogmas. So, it is all the same thing no matter where you go and so it is no the jws alone who come between God and man, but also in non christian religions to.
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HAVE YOU WONDERED? Pubic WT of Oct 1.2008 page 31
by bobld in"you may have heard that jehovah's witnesses do not accept blood transfusions.this scriptural stand is often misunderstood.their stand is based on the fundamental law that god gave to mankind.just after the flood of noah's day.god imposed this one restriction.they were not to consume blood.
(genesis 9:3,4)it was never recinded.
over eight centuries later,god reaffirmed that law to the nation of israel,explaining that the blood is sacred, representing the soul,or life itself.
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JWfacts, Genesis does not say that the Edenic serpent is the satan however Revelation does. Acts does say to abstain from blood. Inspite of the Mosaic law being fulfilled as the NT teaches, the no blood burden is placed on christans.
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HAVE YOU WONDERED? Pubic WT of Oct 1.2008 page 31
by bobld in"you may have heard that jehovah's witnesses do not accept blood transfusions.this scriptural stand is often misunderstood.their stand is based on the fundamental law that god gave to mankind.just after the flood of noah's day.god imposed this one restriction.they were not to consume blood.
(genesis 9:3,4)it was never recinded.
over eight centuries later,god reaffirmed that law to the nation of israel,explaining that the blood is sacred, representing the soul,or life itself.
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Mary: Both bled and unbled meat contains blood. A bled animal contains a lot less blood though. But there is a difference shown in the Bible between eating an unbled carcass and misusing blood: 10 “‘As for any man of the house of Israel or some alien resident who is residing as an alien in YOUR midst who eats any sort of blood, I shall certainly set my face against the soul that is eating the blood, and I shall indeed cut him off from among his people. Leviticus 17:10 nwt That is why I have said to the sons of Israel: “No soul of YOU must eat blood and no alien resident who is residing as an alien in YOUR midst should eat blood.” NWT Leviticus 17:12 Notice the distinction show here: 13 “‘As for any man of the sons of Israel or some alien resident who is residing as an alien in YOUR midst who in hunting catches a wild beast or a fowl that may be eaten, he must in that case pour its blood out and cover it with dust. 14 For the soul of every sort of flesh is its blood by the soul in it. Consequently I said to the sons of Israel: “YOU must not eat the blood of any sort of flesh, because the soul of every sort of flesh is its blood. Anyone eating it will be cut off.” 15 As for any soul that eats a body [already] dead or something torn by a wild beast, whether a native or an alien resident, he must in that case wash his garments and bathe in water and be unclean until the evening; and he must be clean. 16 But if he will not wash them and will not bathe his flesh, he must then answer for his error.’” NWT Leviticus 17:13-16 . See the diifference? (hint something slaughtered or hunted vs something already dead or killed by an ANIMAL. Something slaughtered my a human for the purpose of eating requires that the it must be bled before eating. This law was upon jews and foreigners. Even after the NT goes on and on about the fulfillment of the Mosaic law, it reitirates the blood injunction upon xtians in Acts and that is one reason why it it deduced that Gods' blood law to Noah enjoins all humans. I dont have an issue with that. One issue is, why jw doctors transfuse non jws on the already carcass principle. Big differnce between selling a wordly person road kill or feeding (or selling, blood trans are not free) him whole blood. Another one is: Is God offended because blood is misused to maake antivenon and vaciines to save lives? If so why do jws benefit and also if it is not a sin, then it is ok to use blood for another purpose other than sacrifice. It takes gallons of processed blood to produce itsy bitsy blood fractions, no?
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Do JWS violate Bible laws on blood?
by Fisherman in.."except these necessary things, to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled...."
everyone that eats meat also consumes some whole animal blood with it and that does not violate the bible injunction on blood.
god allows it.
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.."except these necessary things, to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled...." Everyone that eats meat also consumes some WHOLE animal blood with it and that does not violate the Bible injunction on blood. God allows it. With that in mind, one could reason that it is not sinful to consume some animal blood. WTS teaches that the only approved use for blood is sacrfice and that is it. WTS also teaches that the blood injuctions is on all humankind. - see Insight on Scriptures (copyight) under Blood. Keeping in mind wts teaching that only proper use of blood is for sacrifice, logically it is a misuse of blood to fraction it or otherwise use it for any purpose whatsoever other than sacrifice, including the manufacture of vaccines and serums and all medical and non medical use . There is no clause in the Bible that allows humans to misuse blood in that way or in any way. Humanity benefits from medical misuse of blood in our modern age and many lives have been saved and diseases prevented as a result of medical misuse of blood. Jws are also beneficiaries of blood misuse. WTS reasons like this: "THEY misused it and they have to answer to God not us" and that justifies benefiting or using a product that has been produced flagrantly violating a law enjoined on all humanity. If one sincerely wanted to obey the Bible injunction on blood (as the wts interprets the Bible) a person could not use any blood whatsoever for any purpose whatsover. Yet this would result in many deaths and disease if humanity obeyed the Bible in this way. Is this what God wants? I can understand if one had a choice, but medical misuse of blood is the ONLY way that SOME major diseases are prevented and lives saved. Therefore, in conclusion, jws misuse blood directly or indirectly (except blood transfusison) like all the rest of humanity. Children vaccines, vaccines, antivenom, blood fractions,.. are some of the lifesaving ways that jws use misused blood or misuse blood. Everything considered, I do not want someone else's organs or body fluids including blood in my body, but in desperate situations, desperate measures. I want to live!!!!! Of course, there are many things that I would never do even if my life depended on it, but is blood misuse one of those things? Does God want us to choose death over misusing blood? Is that the purpose of the Bible laws relating to blood?
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HAVE YOU WONDERED? Pubic WT of Oct 1.2008 page 31
by bobld in"you may have heard that jehovah's witnesses do not accept blood transfusions.this scriptural stand is often misunderstood.their stand is based on the fundamental law that god gave to mankind.just after the flood of noah's day.god imposed this one restriction.they were not to consume blood.
(genesis 9:3,4)it was never recinded.
over eight centuries later,god reaffirmed that law to the nation of israel,explaining that the blood is sacred, representing the soul,or life itself.
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.."except these necessary things, to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled...." Everyone that eats meat also consumes some WHOLE animal blood with it and that does not violate the Bible injunction on blood. God allows it. With that in mind, one could reason that it is not sinful to consume some animal blood. WTS teaches that the only approved use for blood is sacrfice and that is it. WTS also teaches that the blood injuctions is on all humankind. - see Insight on Scriptures (copyight) under Blood. Keeping in mind wts teaching that only proper use of blood is for sacrifice, logically it is a misuse of blood to fraction it or otherwise use it for any purpose whatsoever other than sacrifice, including the manufacture of vaccines and serums and all medical and non medical use . There is no clause in the Bible that allows humans to misuse blood in that way or in any way. Humanity benefits from medical misuse of blood in our modern age and many lives have been saved and diseases prevented as a result of medical misuse of blood. Jws are also beneficiaries of blood misuse. WTS reasons like this: "they misused it and the have to answer to God not us" and that justifies benefiting or using a product that has been produced flagrantly violating a law enjoined on all humanity. If one sincerely wanted to obey the Bible injunction on blood (as the wts interprets the Bible) a person could not use any blood whatsoever for any purpose whatsover. Yet this would result in many deaths and disease if humanity obeyed the Bible in this way. Is this what God wants? I can understand if one had a choice, but medical misuse of blood is the ONLY way that SOME major diseases are prevented and lives saved. Therefore, in conclusion, jws misuse blood directly or indirectly(except blood transfusison) like all the rest of humanity. Everything considered, I do not want someone else's organs or body fluids including blood in my body, but in desperate situations, desperate measures.I want to live!!!!! Of course, there are many things that I would never do even if my life depended on it, but is blood misuse one of those things? Does God want us to choose death over misusing blood? Is that the purpose of the Bible laws relating to blood?
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Has Anybody Here Converted to Judaism?
by Robdar ini've studied many religions since i left the jws.
i've flirted with a few and have actually thought about joining, but in the end i didn't because it didn't feel right--it didn't resonate with me.
in 2001, the year i discovered this forum, i started reading judaism 101 and really enjoyed it.
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"Where is the "GET" of the mother of you people that I sent away" God likens the law covenant to a marriage contract and therefore it is not forever but it is contingent on the terms of the bris. There is no evidence that God uses the jews any longer as a nation. Jews as a nation must rely on horses and power and not on the great shomer of Israel for salvation from their enemies. However, as I previously stated the kindest and most ethical people are individual jews. In all fairness, there should be evidence of a people that God is now using. The proof is ruah hakodesh. The only proof.In my opinion, today's xtianity has nothing to offer. I am convinced that the jesus of the NT is the Messiah. I have personal conclusions about true religion are God's people today. I am convinced it is not Judaism, yet I love and respect jews.
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Has Anybody Here Converted to Judaism?
by Robdar ini've studied many religions since i left the jws.
i've flirted with a few and have actually thought about joining, but in the end i didn't because it didn't feel right--it didn't resonate with me.
in 2001, the year i discovered this forum, i started reading judaism 101 and really enjoyed it.
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"Where is the "GET" of the mother of you people that I sent away" God likens the law covenant to a mariage contract and therefore it is not foreever but it is contingent on the terms of the covenant. There is no evidence that God uses the jews any longer as a nation. Jews as a nation must rely on horses and power and not on the great shomer of Israel for salvation from their enemies. However, as I previously stated the kindest and most ethical people are individual jews. In all fairness, there should be evidence of a people that God is now using. The proof is ruah hakodesh. The only proof.
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Lawrence Hughes: My daughter could have lived... (Youtube)?????????
by Fisherman incan anyone document allegations made on this video.
since jws are not allowed to give medical advice, the accusations made regarding arsenic treatment are not credible.
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Can anyone document allegations made on this video. Since JWS are not allowed to give medical advice, the accusations made regarding arsenic treatment are not credible.
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Has Anybody Here Converted to Judaism?
by Robdar ini've studied many religions since i left the jws.
i've flirted with a few and have actually thought about joining, but in the end i didn't because it didn't feel right--it didn't resonate with me.
in 2001, the year i discovered this forum, i started reading judaism 101 and really enjoyed it.
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Most of my friends are jewish and I am delighted at the kindnes and decency of jews as individuals. They are wonderful people and most jewish views on the Bible seem very logical. SAd to say though, as a nation, according to Christianity, God does not give his holy spirit to judaism and God does not use jews anymore as a religion. I am convinced that JC was the MESSIAH. I also am convinced that JC was ressurected from the dead and is in heaven with God. That is why, I cannot convert to Judaism. I am however a student of Jewish thought and Jewish commentator and I am respected by religious jews.