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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Vivian, just by way of a reminder to you: "Red Herring, READ ABOUT IT."- Marvin Shilmer
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  knowing that laws can change.

  She sure did! And you are no shrinking violet just like DJS. But whether she was elected or appointed does not change that she cannot be forced to trespass her religious beliefs. Neither does knowing that laws can change when she ran for public office mean that she will be required to violate her religious beliefs when they do just because you say so.

  On the one hand as I stated in a prior post, she cannot claim religious freedom because it is her duty to issue the licenses, at least that is what the lower Court seemed to think when they ordered her to do so, but on the other hand, she did claim religious basis, she holds public office with powers of her own and she is not issuing any licenses to anyone and is not complying with the Court. It falls from the tree that some "catch-all" law will handle the situation and get all those KYers same sex marriage licenses endorsed and issued soon enough. I have no way of knowing her motive, but I think that she has a good reason for her case (claim.) I would be very interested in MS view on whether a public official is required to violate his religious beliefs when the law mandates it regardless of this woman's motive..
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  But I hate their hateful views and teachings, just as I hate what I used to be and what I used to believe when I was one of them.

  How is not subscribing to same sex marriages a hateful view?
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  .".violates any statute or lawfully adopted rule or regulation relating to his office.”

  DJS, you are no shrinking violet! -But neither is she.

  They cannot force her to violate her religious beliefs. If when she was appointed to public office, she did not know that she would have to issue same sex marriage licenses, then I think that she has a good reason for her case.
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  "If she doesn't comply..." DJS

  Maybe yeah or maybe no. She claims that it is on religious basis. Seems that she is not doing her job but that depends on the terms she agreed to when she was put in that position and other things. Seems that they cannot or do not want to relieve/replace her.

  I think, that eventually, if she still refuses to issue same sex marriage licenses, she will either be given a reasonable accomodation or a pink slip. -But not an orange jumpsuit.
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Yeah, No
  

  Not because you say so.
  
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  We know because she said so, fisher person

  Washington (CNN)"The Supreme Court on Monday night denied an emergency application from a Kentucky clerk who has been refusing to issue marriage licenses because of her religious objections to same-sex marriage."
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  The state , either federal or local, has no obligation to allow her to not do her job based on her choice of religion.

  Sure they do. And sure they have. I do not know if it applies in this case though.
  
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Jesus isn't the reason for her treason. It's hate.

  How do you know if this is true? What is known is that she did not do her job.

  In the US same sex marriages is the law of the land but so is is freedom of religion and freedom of expression. Just as gay people have rights under the law so do others. But should people be forced to approve of gay marriages? I think that people must recognize gay marriages because it is law. I wonder what would happen if a gay married couple attended KH? Would they and could they kick them out if they held hands, etc.

  In this particular case where this woman did not wish to issue the license, I do not think that she can claim freedom of religion, but I do not know for sure. She did not perform the marriage and she does not have to approve of it. It is the State that issues the license not her. She only does the paperwork. But if she has a problem with that, she could find another job that does not impose on her doing what she does not want to do. I would like to know how Marvin Shilmer sees this matter, but if religion is her reason or another valid reason, then must the State be forced to protect her rights and accommodate her someway so that she does not have to issue licenses to same sex marriages?
  
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  VA shooting suspect was raised a JW! He mentions it on his Twitter account

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  anyone in the usa following this morning's shooting "on-air" live tv will know what i'm talking about.

  bryce williams (not real name, but on-air name) shot and killed 2 people on live television this morning in roanoke, va. he was wearing a go-pro camera, and uploaded his first-person video onto his social media accounts.

  i've seen his twitter feed (before it was taken down), and not very far down he mentions being raised a jw.

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  WT indoctrination does not inspire JW or anyone to kill. I also do not believe that the recent killings on the news by people lashing out are motivated by wanting infamy as those in the past such as the killing of JL or JFK. Today, the motive is simple, people are angry and they want payback. Although religion is used to inspire terrorism, the reason behind terrorism is hate of the US and similar countries.

  People that are thriving have to reason to lash out except to maintain their position.

  "Surely oppression maketh a wise man mad."