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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Her signature is not an endorsement

  Depends on how you are defining endorsement.
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Her argument is invalid.

  I am not sure about that

  Her oath said she agreed to uphold the laws, not uphold the laws except when she felt like it.

  She is not upholding laws when she feels like it.

  Because "reasonable accomodation" doesn't mean "don't have to do a core component of your job after you've sworn an oath to do so".

  She never swore to endorse gay marriages as a core component of her job..

  So what?

  Exactly my point

  Reality differs from your statements.

  It does not. The reality is that the Court has case law to support whatever decision it likes. Obviously, a judge cannot commit a crime or impeachable conduct, but besides that, judges are very powerful and within the ambit of their power in their jurisdiction they have the power to decide what the Court deems just and proper. In other words, like. or sometimes bunk.

  Sixty one federal judges have been impeached or investigated in the United States. Several were removed. That's not counting at all state and local judges.

  So what. Tell that to the judge when he tells you that it is his Court room.

  Also, judges had limited power and authority based on their position and region.

  Subject matter.

  They cannot "do whatever they want", no matter how many times or how much you think that to be true.

  Depends on what I mean. I said "like" not want.

  I do know so much,

  If you are an attorney, I believe you. If not, I laugh at you.

  I do not want to argue for the sake of winning. I do not know all of the facts about her case. I am not a supporter of her either. Or any public official using religion as an excuse not to do their job. . You have posted a lot of your assertions but in all objectivity, you have not invalidated her claim.
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  She doesn't have to endorse gay marriages. She simply has to make sure paperwork is in order and file it for marriage as she agreed to.

  She does. The license requires her signature
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Judges can do whatever they like. I have heard judges say: "The law ties my hands." and then do whatever they like anyway, erring deliberately. They can and will err when they like and the heck with you. Go around in circles and spend all your money in appeals.. They do not have to tell you they are doing so. But sometimes they will tell you straight out. You think you know so much? Go try a judge. "The Court erred. SO WHAT! The heck with you."

  You do not have any Court exposure. Divorce maybe. If you did, when I said bunk, you would know.

  
  
  
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Because she refuses to do the job she agreed and swore to do.

  When did she agree to endorse gay marriages? I can see her argument if she claims " I agreed to do my job and I also agreed to do my job when laws change. But I never agreed to do my job when it violates my religion. You are saying that I did so derivatively, but I disagree."

  Why should everybody else be legally forced to accommodate, but not in her case?

  If lot of other people get Reasonable Accommodations- even public officials, then why shouldn't she. I know some elected officials that get special accommodations so they can practice their religion at work, or not work so they can practice their religion. I know of laws that have been changed to accommodate .religious beliefs.

  Some JW are clerks of the Court (not all officers of the Court are elected) In the US attorneys are officers of the Court.
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  A judge may rule in favor of an organization she finds personally repugnant, but her job as a judge is to uphold the law, that's why the symbol for justice is blindfolded, because the law should be impartial.

  Bunk, judges can do whatever they like. Unlike Davis, they enjoy immunity.
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Some of those gays appeared awfully happy to see a non-believer go to jail - she never stopped any from obtaining a marriage license from a gay-tolerant clerk in another county.

  She refuses to endorse ss marriages.The Bible teaches that homosexual (ss) conduct is bad and also teaches to hate what is bad.

  It was posted earlier that she ran for public office knowing that laws can change, it was also posted that she agreed to do her job when such changes happened which is part of her job.

  But does that mean that everyone that runs for public office or accepts a position of public official should do so knowing that they will be expected to violate their religion? -Maybe someday?

  I think that she is not doing her job. I also think that she should do the job that she was elected to do.

  But I do not think that she should have to endorse ss marriage licenses if it violates her beliefs.

  The catch-all seems to be for the Court to order her to do her job and then remand her for willful disobedience -which in this case should be civil and not criminal. But the lower Court did not jail her when she did not do her job for religious reasons, instead they ordered her to do it and then they detained her for contempt.

  When the Bible says to hate what is bad it means to hate doing what is bad. It does not mean to prevent others from doing what you view is bad. Hating what is bad is not the same as personal hate towards others which in action is demeaning and disrespecting others verbally, or physically by using any means to stop the person from enjoying what you do not want them to do or harm such person directly or indirectly, like some religions did to get at JW. In Davis case, homosexuals want to force her to endorse ss licenses instead of going to another county.

  Homosexuality is the American way now, it is the law, like it or not. You cannot un-ring the bell and change the ss marriage laws. Even if some other President is elected, I do no think that he can change the ss law, besides, it was posted how many countries have legalized ss marriages, so it is not as if the US is doing something unheard of, practically the whole world is doing it, so it was just a matter of time before it became legal in the US. I do not blame Obama. It was going to happen sooner or later. I think that US Presidents are figure heads. They have some flexibility, but I think that there are other powers dictating policy.

  The issue in Davis case is not her motive, she has a good reason that applies to others that may be required to violate their beliefs. It is easy for the Court to tell her to quit, but why should she quit. It is hard to find a job, and then if she is forced to quit, why not everybody else that requires special accommodations so that they can practice their religion at work. It is an inconvenience and burden for those that do not share those beliefs.

  Homos do not want to be discriminated against. It is the law and they do not want to hear religious excuses from public officials (and neither does anybody else). Do your job. If your religion prevents you from doing your job, quit. Stop inconveniencing people and stop wasting everybody's time practicing your religion at your job.
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

  1. social
  2. current

  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  Vivian, just by way of a reminder to you: "Red Herring, READ ABOUT IT."- Marvin Shilmer
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

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  2. current

  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  knowing that laws can change.

  She sure did! And you are no shrinking violet just like DJS. But whether she was elected or appointed does not change that she cannot be forced to trespass her religious beliefs. Neither does knowing that laws can change when she ran for public office mean that she will be required to violate her religious beliefs when they do just because you say so.

  On the one hand as I stated in a prior post, she cannot claim religious freedom because it is her duty to issue the licenses, at least that is what the lower Court seemed to think when they ordered her to do so, but on the other hand, she did claim religious basis, she holds public office with powers of her own and she is not issuing any licenses to anyone and is not complying with the Court. It falls from the tree that some "catch-all" law will handle the situation and get all those KYers same sex marriage licenses endorsed and issued soon enough. I have no way of knowing her motive, but I think that she has a good reason for her case (claim.) I would be very interested in MS view on whether a public official is required to violate his religious beliefs when the law mandates it regardless of this woman's motive..
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  If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

  by DJS in

  1. social
  2. current

  scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

  by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

  updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

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  But I hate their hateful views and teachings, just as I hate what I used to be and what I used to believe when I was one of them.

  How is not subscribing to same sex marriages a hateful view?