Posts by Fisherman

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The Watchtower Society is confused over its “Seventy Years” and "Seven Times"

by Doug Mason in

until now, the watch tower society [wts] has argued that the 70 years was a period during which judah was totally and completely depopulated.

for this reason, it constantly argued that the period commenced when the jews left judah and entered egypt.

jerusalem was destroyed in the fifth month (two months before october/tishri).

Fisherman

DM, Thanks for your exciting and interesting commentary. It is late now and I will have to look up the BIble verses later on.

Here is what the WT has always taught about the destruction of Jerusalem back in the time of the prophets: Jerusalem was invaded two times. The first time it was invaded resulted in Zedekiah being installed as a vassal king. Because king Zedekiah rebelled against Babylon, the king of Babylon invaded Jerusalem a second time and this time the king of Babylon destroyed the temple ((jewish tradition holds that 1st and 2nd temple were destroyed in the month of Av) However, the WT has always taught that Gedaliah was left in Judah as governor after the destruction of the first temple. He was later assassinated by Ismael, resulting in the Babylonians disassembling the Jewish presence in Judah that Babylon allowed at that time. It was then that the 70 year desolation began and not in the 9th of Av.

How does this correspond with your commentary?

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Just recovering from a 'Mormon Mind Melt' ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

i was in town centre about an hour ago to buy a shirt and tie for an upcoming job interview when i was stopped by a youngish, clean cut american young man (20-ish) in a cheap suit.

my heart sank as i thought it was local jws.

to my slight relief, it was mormons!

Fisherman

I'd be interested to hear about any experiences you've had with Mormons.

"The book of Mormon is from God because the angel said so, and the angel would not have said so if it was not from God, and besides that, the book of Mormon is better than the Bible, which is only the word of God as far as it can be translated correctly, that is not the case with the book of Mormon, because Salt Lake City is where the Garden of Eden use to be, and we have prophets today to prove it, and that is because we want your 10 percent, and never take off your holy underwear. And we know it is the truth because we have prophets that tell us, and God would not tell the prophets the truth unless they were prophets,-would he- and that is how we know they are prophets, because God speaks to them. In any case God would never lie. (Hey you want to have a lot of sex with as many wives as you can afford? -but you cannot have sex before marriage, it is a sin, and you must marry your wives before having sex.)" The Kings James Bible is the best because we like it and the reason we like it is becaiuse the book of Mormon quotes from the King James, and that is why KJV is the best.

"After billions of eons of time have passed, you will get to be God too over your own parallel universe. Bringum Young!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Keep bringing them young (especially the females.)

Tithe of 15 million Mormons revenue per year is a lot of hay.

I only have one question for you, can you support your views? "We don't know that much."

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Has anyone thought of the spin that the "society" will put on bethel layoffs?

by Lied2NoMore in

first, how about a joke?.

what do you call someone who just turned apostate?.

im thinking sometime in the future the society will put a spin on what is happening similar to what has been done in the past.. they will say apostasy once again reared its ugly head in the organization and layoffs was the only way to "cleanse" the organization.. once disgruntled ones begin to use their voice, they will be forced to strike back with some spin to make all those who have the guts to complain look like they were the problem.. good theory huh?.

Fisherman

Bethelites are no dummies, they see whats's cooking.

After 1975 went, a large number of Bethelites left. After 1995 or so, Bethelites also left.After the turn of the century, a lot of Bethelites were sent home, besides those that left. After 2015, we have this rumor of sending Bethelites home. Bethel is not what it used to be. WT is not looking for people to stay there till death and be a burden and expense in their old age. Seems that they want a turn around of young people to experience Bethel then leave and pioneer. Out of this turn around, certain few are selected because of skills, traits or spirituality and these should stay a good long time. IF they need you they want you to stay, if they do not want you, why stay where you are not wanted. Certainly, there will be resentment. at being rejected, but not by everyone that is asked to leave. It has been posted on this Forum that WT had to request money from the cong donations and besides that, they let jw know of deficit and there is also a sense of awareness by jw that $ is tight. Betheites are insiders, they see what is going on first hand no matter how you cut or spin it.

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Proof that Armageddon will come in 2020 or 2021.

by berrygerry in

somewhat just posted a link to www.jw2016.borg (remove the b ) which is an up-and-running site for 2016 dub conventions.the borg has also registered jw2017, jw2018, jw2019, and jw2020 (all .org)however, they have not reg'd jw2021.therefore, the conclusion in the title.

(a non-wt has reg'd jw2022.org)( jw2021.org is presently available, wink-wink).

Fisherman

"The battle of Armageddon refers to the final war between human governments and God. These governments and their supporters oppose God even now by refusing to submit to his rulership. (Psalm 2:2) The battle of Armageddon will bring human rulership to an end.—Daniel 2:44." [COPYRIGHT WBTS EXCERPT TAKEN FROM jw.org WEBSITE]

WT is asking governments now to submit. But why not before?

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My Opinions on whats going on in WT land - Insider Information

by thedepressedsoul in

first off, i'd like to state that i currently have "privileges" in the congregation and volunteer at bethel on and off throughout the year.

that's as much information as i will currently give about myself.. starting off, i think something big is coming in the form of lawsuits and bad pr.

they seem to be batting down the hatches in preparation for something the last few years and even more so the last few months.

Fisherman

I agree capppy

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The End Is Near...

by freemindfade in

so we all know and are seeing that as the org is taking some kind of financial beating it is being interpreted, either by design or not, that armageddon is coming any second now.

well from our vantage point we can see the only end that may be near is for the publishing company itself, wtbts, and not the world.

its sickening to hear loved ones and friends say this, that this means the desert god is coming to wipe out most of humanity.

Fisherman

40 years this year since 1975. Appears that Adam was 40+ when he married Eve. No sex on his wedding night?

According to WT theology, these Bible prophecies are converging: Gentile Times, Daniel's time of the end, Jesus sign of his parousia, End of 6000 years of man's existence...

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My Opinions on whats going on in WT land - Insider Information

by thedepressedsoul in

first off, i'd like to state that i currently have "privileges" in the congregation and volunteer at bethel on and off throughout the year.

that's as much information as i will currently give about myself.. starting off, i think something big is coming in the form of lawsuits and bad pr.

they seem to be batting down the hatches in preparation for something the last few years and even more so the last few months.

Fisherman

Do you go out of your way to insult the people you talk to or is this just something that comes naturally?

Vid, you are not being fair about this, Look at his posts to me first. You should have noticed the post directed to me first before forming an opinion about my response.

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Again, where is the WTBTS letter in Spanish??

by DATA-DOG in

i started a post to inquire about it, then my post disappeared.

will this one disappear too?

dd.

Fisherman

...but is this letter an isolated case...

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The End Is Near...

by freemindfade in

so we all know and are seeing that as the org is taking some kind of financial beating it is being interpreted, either by design or not, that armageddon is coming any second now.

well from our vantage point we can see the only end that may be near is for the publishing company itself, wtbts, and not the world.

its sickening to hear loved ones and friends say this, that this means the desert god is coming to wipe out most of humanity.

Fisherman

WT changes does not have anything to do with GT, at least the Bible does not say so. But as I have posted previously in many of my posts that 100 years plus of invisible ruler-ship does not makes sense and nether does preaching to a generation of people that rejected the message who will nevertheless get resurrected anyway. I am sure JW realize this too and conclude that something must give within the next year or so because of the reasons I have stated and not because of any WT changes,

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Again, where is the WTBTS letter in Spanish??

by DATA-DOG in

i started a post to inquire about it, then my post disappeared.

will this one disappear too?

dd.

Fisherman

IT was translated to English, did you read the translation?