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  Jehovah's Witnesses' Brooklyn tax exemptions totaled $368 million

  by OrphanCrow in

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  jehovah's witnesses' brooklyn tax exemptions totaled $368 million.

  downtown brooklyn partnership ups its pressure on the tax-exempt organization to donate $50 million.

  the jehovah’s witnesses have been exempted from paying at least $368 million in taxes on their brooklyn real estate holdings over the last 12 years, according to an analysis by the downtown brooklyn partnership and consulting firm bjh advisers.

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  ... the religious organization to donate $50 million to the borough as it sells off at great profit the remainder of its Brooklyn property and moves upstate.
  “This is the last chance to do it,
  

  I cannot stop laughing.
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  Court denies summary judgement for Laurel Jehovah's Witnesses congregation

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  court denies summary judgement for laurel jehovah's witnesses congregation.

  a motion for summary judgement is denied in a case against the laurel congregation of jehovah's witnesses and some individuals over child abuse reporting issues.a lawyer for the congregation maintained that elders were exempted from reporting requirements under a state law because of clergy privilege and confidentiality.the case resulted from allegations that elders did not report an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were members of the jehovah's witnesses congregation.. download the court opinion here.

  http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/download.aspx?id=235880.

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  The word you are looking for

  The substance of this case is the guarantee of freedom of communication and speech without fear (of prosecution) between priest and penitent. That guarantee means immunity for the sinner when he confesses a crime to the church and immunity for the church for not reporting the crime. Anything less than a guarantee is not freedom.

  I chose the term immunity to describe the laws that apply to church sinner communications and to highlight the words fear and freedom and guarantee and prosecution in church sinner communications. I can choose any term I want (same as Delaware Assembly chose the terms it did in 909) without you telling me what word I should be looking for.

  The rest of your post is a bunch of assertive hogwash same as your other posts.
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  Court denies summary judgement for Laurel Jehovah's Witnesses congregation

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  court denies summary judgement for laurel jehovah's witnesses congregation.

  a motion for summary judgement is denied in a case against the laurel congregation of jehovah's witnesses and some individuals over child abuse reporting issues.a lawyer for the congregation maintained that elders were exempted from reporting requirements under a state law because of clergy privilege and confidentiality.the case resulted from allegations that elders did not report an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were members of the jehovah's witnesses congregation.. download the court opinion here.

  http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/download.aspx?id=235880.

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  DD

  You are a very funny dude ( I do not mean it sarcastically ) I enjoy your posts. I took no offense at your post directed at me. But you are not thinking, chum.

  Just try to take off your wt bigotry eyeglasses that you view the world with and look at this case just a little differently.

  Any religious term such as clergy, penitence, priest, absolution, etc. that legislation chooses to use must fit into a generic equation that applies to all religions or the law is unconstitutional.

  For example, although the JW do not use the term clergy or churches same as Christendom, they still benefit from laws that use the term clergy and church and confession and penance, etc. same as Jews and Moslems or any other religion does.

  The JW have their own version or understating of how confession and Penance and Absolution should be applied, and to JW confidentiality does not mean privacy in a confession booth between 2 people, more is involved for them. My opinion is that it is unconstitutional if the JW cannot enjoy the immunity from reporting to the police laws solely because JW do not have a Catholic Church style confession privacy setting between 2 people only. I think that the immunity laws do apply to JW in their style of confession. The purpose of church immunity laws is not to establish that church confessions must be in a private setting between 2 people, but to guarantee the freedom of speech and communication to those seeking spiritual help (whatever that help should be and however the church handles the sinner religiously) from their church without fear of having to be turned over to the secular authorities by the church.
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  Court denies summary judgement for Laurel Jehovah's Witnesses congregation

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  court denies summary judgement for laurel jehovah's witnesses congregation.

  a motion for summary judgement is denied in a case against the laurel congregation of jehovah's witnesses and some individuals over child abuse reporting issues.a lawyer for the congregation maintained that elders were exempted from reporting requirements under a state law because of clergy privilege and confidentiality.the case resulted from allegations that elders did not report an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were members of the jehovah's witnesses congregation.. download the court opinion here.

  http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/download.aspx?id=235880.

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  Listener, thanks for the very interesting article. I appreciate the information.but JW commentary has nothing to do with the immunity WT enjoys in the US which is the substance of this case.
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  Court denies summary judgement for Laurel Jehovah's Witnesses congregation

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  court denies summary judgement for laurel jehovah's witnesses congregation.

  a motion for summary judgement is denied in a case against the laurel congregation of jehovah's witnesses and some individuals over child abuse reporting issues.a lawyer for the congregation maintained that elders were exempted from reporting requirements under a state law because of clergy privilege and confidentiality.the case resulted from allegations that elders did not report an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were members of the jehovah's witnesses congregation.. download the court opinion here.

  http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/download.aspx?id=235880.

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  the Supreme Court will be compelled to weigh in on clergy privilege

  What entity will compel the Supreme Court to do anything? Hogwash.

  So many crimes are accumulating that are "exempted" for the clergy penitent privilege, there is an overwhelming load of litigation in lower courts in disagreement with each other. The SC has no choice but to address it.

  More Hogwash from you.
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  Court denies summary judgement for Laurel Jehovah's Witnesses congregation

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  court denies summary judgement for laurel jehovah's witnesses congregation.

  a motion for summary judgement is denied in a case against the laurel congregation of jehovah's witnesses and some individuals over child abuse reporting issues.a lawyer for the congregation maintained that elders were exempted from reporting requirements under a state law because of clergy privilege and confidentiality.the case resulted from allegations that elders did not report an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were members of the jehovah's witnesses congregation.. download the court opinion here.

  http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/download.aspx?id=235880.

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  Six jurisdictions have expressly abrogated the clergy/penitent privilege with regard to mandatory reporting laws

  That is another topic and when the state mandates the church to report crimes, simply put, that is the law; however, JW version of confession does not disqualify them when immunity is a provision to religions.
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  Court denies summary judgement for Laurel Jehovah's Witnesses congregation

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  court denies summary judgement for laurel jehovah's witnesses congregation.

  a motion for summary judgement is denied in a case against the laurel congregation of jehovah's witnesses and some individuals over child abuse reporting issues.a lawyer for the congregation maintained that elders were exempted from reporting requirements under a state law because of clergy privilege and confidentiality.the case resulted from allegations that elders did not report an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were members of the jehovah's witnesses congregation.. download the court opinion here.

  http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/download.aspx?id=235880.

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  Not confidential. Not secret.

  Not reported to the police. Not your definition. US government has no authority to dictate to church how to practice religion in matters of confidentiality among themselves except to compel reporting to the police not regulate confidentiality within the church.
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  Court denies summary judgement for Laurel Jehovah's Witnesses congregation

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  court denies summary judgement for laurel jehovah's witnesses congregation.

  a motion for summary judgement is denied in a case against the laurel congregation of jehovah's witnesses and some individuals over child abuse reporting issues.a lawyer for the congregation maintained that elders were exempted from reporting requirements under a state law because of clergy privilege and confidentiality.the case resulted from allegations that elders did not report an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were members of the jehovah's witnesses congregation.. download the court opinion here.

  http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/download.aspx?id=235880.

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  pure speculation

  Evidently, opinion. That is how I see the chess board.
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  Court denies summary judgement for Laurel Jehovah's Witnesses congregation

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  court denies summary judgement for laurel jehovah's witnesses congregation.

  a motion for summary judgement is denied in a case against the laurel congregation of jehovah's witnesses and some individuals over child abuse reporting issues.a lawyer for the congregation maintained that elders were exempted from reporting requirements under a state law because of clergy privilege and confidentiality.the case resulted from allegations that elders did not report an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were members of the jehovah's witnesses congregation.. download the court opinion here.

  http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/download.aspx?id=235880.

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  in which the Judicial branch interprets the laws

  And that is why I said (if you stop reading conclusions) that JW will be vindicate in the Higher Court

  Just because you don't like the way such laws were interpreted doesn't make the court's decision invalid.

  I never said that a Court decision is not valid (legal). I said that in my opinion it is wrong (error of law) referring to disqualifying JW from 909 or enjoying imunnity (church confidentiality) based on JW version of confession and the language used in 909.
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  Court denies summary judgement for Laurel Jehovah's Witnesses congregation

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  court denies summary judgement for laurel jehovah's witnesses congregation.

  a motion for summary judgement is denied in a case against the laurel congregation of jehovah's witnesses and some individuals over child abuse reporting issues.a lawyer for the congregation maintained that elders were exempted from reporting requirements under a state law because of clergy privilege and confidentiality.the case resulted from allegations that elders did not report an unlawful sexual relationship between a woman and a 14-year-old boy, both of whom were members of the jehovah's witnesses congregation.. download the court opinion here.

  http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/download.aspx?id=235880.

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  Fisherman

  Simply put, in light of the forgoing and what is common knowledge of the JW procedures, there is no confidentiality.

  Not according to your conditions, but it is nonetheless confidential because the church does no report to the police.