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News Flash: New Reveal Article
by Sugar Shane in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
less than an hour old:.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
Fisherman

Priests aren't currently among them
But JW should.
Thank you Mephis.
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News Flash: New Reveal Article
by Sugar Shane in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
less than an hour old:.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
Fisherman

What you've described would pass most legal tests for a clergy/penitent exemption
What in the world are you talking about!!! What legal test are you referring to? You said most,name them all or at least a couple.
absolution is refused unless the penitent reports himself/herself to the police. Which means the priest knows that the report has been made."
How in the world would the priest know that the report was made.
If the penitent refuses to report child abuse to the Police and absolution is withheld does UK law mandate the priest to report the allegation of child abuse he heard in the confession to the stuatory authorities?
If you mean my own personal view
You think that I mean that I was asking you for someone else's personal view!!
(Please don't get me on spelling Mephis. That ain't fair)
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News Flash: New Reveal Article
by Sugar Shane in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
less than an hour old:.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
Fisherman

i was under the impression that the SC had previously interpreted clergy/penitent privilege as being an act of confession, held privately between two individuals: the penitent, and clergyman.
"You are not reading." -Marvin Shilmer
Federal Rules of Evidence 506 - Communications to Clergy

(Federal recommended guidelines for State laws)

(a) Definitions. As used in this rule:
(1) A "clergyman" is a minister, priest, rabbi, or other similar functionary of a religious organization, or an individual reasonably believed so to be by the person consulting him
116
News Flash: New Reveal Article
by Sugar Shane in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
less than an hour old:.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
Fisherman

Please explain so that I can understand what you mean.
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News Flash: New Reveal Article
by Sugar Shane in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
less than an hour old:.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
Fisherman

Read the first clause of the sentence you're quoting.
Sure thing. Thanks!
but what do you mean by
in terms of current law, that would generally be respected and not be an issue there

Please explain
116
News Flash: New Reveal Article
by Sugar Shane in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
less than an hour old:.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
Fisherman

do you think that the church should qualify for priest/penitent confidentiality privilige in child abuse cases if the confession it is kept private: no judicial comitees, no WT legal department, no bunch of elders hearing about the confession and it is strictly confidential between priest and penitent ONLY?
In terms of current law, that would generally be respected and not be an issue there
Seems to me that you respect (in a beat around the bush way) not reporting some child abuse.
116
News Flash: New Reveal Article
by Sugar Shane in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
less than an hour old:.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
Fisherman

Mephis, thank you for reading my post that I referred you to.
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News Flash: New Reveal Article
by Sugar Shane in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
less than an hour old:.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
Fisherman

Simon, what do you think about the children that are harmed in child abuse cases that are not reported to the police by such church that is deemed qualified not to report it?
Are you saying that the issue here is not that ALL churches must report child abuse, but that only those churches that do not qualify must?
They cannot then claim clergy privilege if they don't have any.
The WTS do not claim to have clergy or churches either but the legislation that uses those terms applies to Jews and Moslems too as well as the WT. The laws apply and provide benefits to all religions the same and the term clergy and other terms used in legislation must fit into a generic equation that applies to all religions equally or the law is unconstiutional if it only caters to a religion meeting some preferred standard. That is not my opinion, it is the opinion of US Courts.
In the US that is.
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Obey the Superior Authorities God says / God says Satan is controlling the Superior Authorities.?
by smiddy in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
romans 13 : 1-4 clearly states that the superior authorities are an arrangement from god , defy them and you are working against the arrangement of god at your own peril.. christians are to be obedient to the superior authorities ,"for their is no authority except by god , the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by god .therefore he who opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of god ".

matt.

4 :8-10 shows that all the kingdoms and governments are under satan`s control , jesus never disputed that claim .
Fisherman

In the Jewish religious beliefs, Satan is a good guy.
Yes, in jewish theology, satan is only doing his job. Jews also believe that the book of job is allegorical, one of the "ketuvim" books of the Jewsih Bible (OT)
116
News Flash: New Reveal Article
by Sugar Shane in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
less than an hour old:.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
Fisherman

Mephis, did you read my post that I asked you to read?

Fisherman

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Federal Rules of Evidence 506 - Communications to Clergy