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  Fisherman

  Let me repeat the question:

  In the UK, are Anglican priests mandated by UK law to report child abuse that they heard in a priest /penitent setting to statutory authorities?

  Yes or No. (very easy question)
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  News Flash: New Reveal Article

  by Sugar Shane in

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  2. child-abuse

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  https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.

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  Fisherman

  But yes, I'd agree JWs should, the Anglicans should, the Catholics should.

  Understood

  Were JW also "not currently among them"?

  
  

  It seems to me that UK clergy of the Anglican church are not mandated by UK law to report child abuse to stuatory authorities. Is that true?
  

  
  
  
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  News Flash: New Reveal Article

  by Sugar Shane in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  less than an hour old:.

  https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.

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  Fisherman

  Priests aren't currently among them

  But JW should.

  Thank you Mephis.
  
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  News Flash: New Reveal Article

  by Sugar Shane in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  less than an hour old:.

  https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.

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  Fisherman

  What you've described would pass most legal tests for a clergy/penitent exemption

  What in the world are you talking about!!! What legal test are you referring to? You said most,name them all or at least a couple.
  

  absolution is refused unless the penitent reports himself/herself to the police. Which means the priest knows that the report has been made."

  How in the world would the priest know that the report was made.

  If the penitent refuses to report child abuse to the Police and absolution is withheld does UK law mandate the priest to report the allegation of child abuse he heard in the confession to the stuatory authorities?

  If you mean my own personal view

  You think that I mean that I was asking you for someone else's personal view!!

  (Please don't get me on spelling Mephis. That ain't fair)
  
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  News Flash: New Reveal Article

  by Sugar Shane in

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  2. child-abuse

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  https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.

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  Fisherman

  i was under the impression that the SC had previously interpreted clergy/penitent privilege as being an act of confession, held privately between two individuals: the penitent, and clergyman.

  "You are not reading." -Marvin Shilmer
  

  Federal Rules of Evidence 506 - Communications to Clergy

  (Federal recommended guidelines for State laws)

  (a) Definitions. As used in this rule:

  (1) A "clergyman" is a minister, priest, rabbi, or other similar functionary of a religious organization, or an individual reasonably believed so to be by the person consulting him
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  by Sugar Shane in

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  2. child-abuse

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  https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.

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  Fisherman

  Please explain so that I can understand what you mean.
  
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  News Flash: New Reveal Article

  by Sugar Shane in

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  https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.

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  Fisherman

  Read the first clause of the sentence you're quoting.

  Sure thing. Thanks!

  but what do you mean by

  in terms of current law, that would generally be respected and not be an issue there

  
  Please explain
  

  
  
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  News Flash: New Reveal Article

  by Sugar Shane in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

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  https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.

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  Fisherman

  do you think that the church should qualify for priest/penitent confidentiality privilige in child abuse cases if the confession it is kept private: no judicial comitees, no WT legal department, no bunch of elders hearing about the confession and it is strictly confidential between priest and penitent ONLY?

  In terms of current law, that would generally be respected and not be an issue there

  Seems to me that you respect (in a beat around the bush way) not reporting some child abuse.
  
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  News Flash: New Reveal Article

  by Sugar Shane in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  less than an hour old:.

  https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.

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  Fisherman

  Mephis, thank you for reading my post that I referred you to.
  
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  News Flash: New Reveal Article

  by Sugar Shane in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  less than an hour old:.

  https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.

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  Fisherman

  Simon, what do you think about the children that are harmed in child abuse cases that are not reported to the police by such church that is deemed qualified not to report it?

  Are you saying that the issue here is not that ALL churches must report child abuse, but that only those churches that do not qualify must?

  They cannot then claim clergy privilege if they don't have any.

  The WTS do not claim to have clergy or churches either but the legislation that uses those terms applies to Jews and Moslems too as well as the WT. The laws apply and provide benefits to all religions the same and the term clergy and other terms used in legislation must fit into a generic equation that applies to all religions equally or the law is unconstiutional if it only caters to a religion meeting some preferred standard. That is not my opinion, it is the opinion of US Courts.

  In the US that is.