Posts by Fisherman

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A stunning piece of LOGIC from the Apostle Paul

by nicolaou in

1st corinthians 15 12-17. but if it is preached that christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?

if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even christ has been raised.

and if christ has not been raised, your faith is futile... .

Fisherman

So you did say it, but you also didn't?

Neither did I say it nor did I also didn't say it. I simply did not say it. Let me make it simple for you: You said that I said that Being convinced of something makes that thing a fact.... In fact this is what you said about what I posted: "Being convinced of something doesn't make that thing a fact, nor is it proof of anything" -and I already told you that I did not say that - but you insist that I did.

That makes about as much sense as your interpretations of the Bible or Donald Trump when he talks.

You can conclude what you like, "I don't care." -to quote Marvin Shilmer

Look, you said it. It's plain to see. Why are you also trying to claim the opposite?

Again, you insist and make claims about what I posted after clearly telling you that that's not what I said. Let me make it easy for you (if you like.) Your conclusions about what I posted is not what I posted -but you can believe them if you like.

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Do Orthodox Jews reject blood transfusions ? because of the scriptures, they strictly believe ?

by smiddy in

this thought occured to me that orthodox jews take the bible/old testament scriptures very seriously regarding the blood issue raised in scripture .. and this is certainly borne out in regard to the bleeding of animals before eating them ,kosher food.. the orthodox jews are far more stricter than jehovah`s witnesses in this application / interpretation of scripture ,and i am curious as to how they interpret and understand these scriptures.. how do they view blood transfusions in the medical world.?.

and is it only the orthodox jews that are expected to only eat kosher food ?

how about the ordinary believing jew with their religion.do they also only eat kosher food ?

Fisherman

On the other hand, although the Mishnah (see reference in the linked essay) forbids Jews from working on the Sabbath for the purpose of saving an avodah sarah, a Jew is required to violate the Sabbath anyway for the purpose of saving a human (idolatrous Jews -compare shituf with avodah zarah- are also viewed as Gentiles) life (see Rambam commentaries) and it all works out. So in this case involving Jewish "oral law" it can be noted that Jewish selfishness results in benefit to the non-Jew (actually to all humans since Noachide are not -or should not be- idolatrous. (-But then again since Noachide are not required to keep the Sabbath neither should they benefit from Jewish laws that honor the Sabbath and that is one reason why "idolatrous" in Yoma refers to all Gentiles including Noachide.)

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A stunning piece of LOGIC from the Apostle Paul

by nicolaou in

1st corinthians 15 12-17. but if it is preached that christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?

if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even christ has been raised.

and if christ has not been raised, your faith is futile... .

Fisherman

Uh, yeah you did -viv

No I didn't

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A stunning piece of LOGIC from the Apostle Paul

by nicolaou in

1st corinthians 15 12-17. but if it is preached that christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?

if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even christ has been raised.

and if christ has not been raised, your faith is futile... .

Fisherman

You said "they knew for a fact that Jesus was resurrected from the dead". -viv

Right. That, I posted.

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A stunning piece of LOGIC from the Apostle Paul

by nicolaou in

1st corinthians 15 12-17. but if it is preached that christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?

if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even christ has been raised.

and if christ has not been raised, your faith is futile... .

Fisherman

Being convinced of something doesn't make that thing a fact, nor is it proof of anything

I never said that. Read the related chapter. Conclude what you like..

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Oldest Hebrew mention of Jerusalem from 7th century BCE

by Earnest in

the oldest hebrew mention of jerusalem has been found on a rare papyrus from the 7th century bce, as reported in the times of israel of october 26, 2016.. a reference to a consignment of wineskins 'to jerusalem' appears on a 2,700-year-old first temple-era scrap believed to have been plundered from a judean desert cave..

Fisherman

thanks fulltime!

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A stunning piece of LOGIC from the Apostle Paul

by nicolaou in

1st corinthians 15 12-17. but if it is preached that christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?

if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even christ has been raised.

and if christ has not been raised, your faith is futile... .

Fisherman

But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead

All Paul is doing is debunking the belief that sprouted up among the Christians back then that there is no resurrection of the dead with the logic that they already knew for a fact that Jesus was resurrected from the dead and that was a basis for faith in the resurrection of others too. In fact, the resurrection of Jesus is what they were preaching about.

(These guys back then weren't teaching from some book they read which was written some thousands of years ago. ( The Bible so states that:) This is something that they saw; they saw the resurrected Jesus; they saw Jesus ascend into heaven and Paul saw and communicated with Jesus. The resurrection of Jesus was proven conclusively to those witnesses and that is what these guys back then were witnessing and preaching about all over the place.)

They were testifying about what they saw and heard-not hearsay or something that they read off some book, and that is what being a witness is all about. The subject matter in the related "logic" is about debunking an erroneous conclusion that some had come to back then; Paul's logic is not about invalidating the resurrection, something proven (to them) to be true. Facts cannot be invalidated; neither with logic, not with arguments, not with other facts. Facts stand on their own and everyone back then was convinced for a fact that Jesus rose from the dead and no one could prove to them otherwise. And that proof was a basis for faith in the resurrection -not of Jesus- but of everybody else.

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Spy camera wanted, motion activated, wireless, etc.

by FatFreek 2005 in

okay, it doesn't have to be a spy camera.. it must be something wireless that send signals to my android smart phone.

and some of those spy cameras seem to have fairly good features but they are also scary.

their descriptions are obviously translated from some other language and i would worry about decent customer support.. i'd simply like to be notified the moment a certain cabinet door (actually, two doors) is opened.

Fisherman

BY way of a router, you need to go into the router and configure ports ( port forwarding: open the designated ports) you also need to configure the program you are using on your android (QEye for example) to work with the ports you opened on your router. IF your router is a separate unit from your modem, you are in luck . IF you have a combo router modem, you need to contact your ISP to help you set it up. Don't tell them too much about what you want to do. BY way of a dvr connected to a router, ports and passwords have to match and you must set up the dns as static. Most ISP's dont change the DNS that often and you can try and use it as if it was static. For a small yearly fee you can get a static DNS from a provider on the internet, Dyns I think is one.

BY way of the dialer, you need to put minutes on the sim card, with the right plan it costs about 20 dollars a year.

The hardest part of setup if you use the router in the system you decide upon, is configuring the ports on the router and getting the router to work with the dvr.

IF you just want to monitor an area and dont need to be notified right away if they open a door etc, they sell household objects that are actually dvrs activated by motion, so the battery will last a very long time -weeks or more.They record to a micro card. IF you get one that records to a slower fps and or resolution you can record hours of video on a 32 gig card. THese units are cheap 40 or 50 bucks -or more. THey sell all kinds of things that people would never suspect is a camera. A lot of options. Everythng you need need is on ebay for less than 100.00 plus the time you need to compare everything and decide what you need.

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A stunning piece of LOGIC from the Apostle Paul

by nicolaou in

1st corinthians 15 12-17. but if it is preached that christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?

if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even christ has been raised.

and if christ has not been raised, your faith is futile... .

Fisherman

viv: conclusions

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A stunning piece of LOGIC from the Apostle Paul

by nicolaou in

1st corinthians 15 12-17. but if it is preached that christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?

if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even christ has been raised.

and if christ has not been raised, your faith is futile... .

Fisherman

Proof does not provide long term motivation:

You are wrong about that. But then it depends on the man. Proof was all that Paul needed. As a Pharisee, Paul was spiritually blind, He saw things the Jewish way and thought in those terms. No argumentation or reasoning from the scriptures could have convinced Paul. He saw and spoke with the resurrected JC in heavenly glory -he knew with certainty, but he still needed faith that he would receive his reward and getting the reward is future long term, but when God provides proof he concurrently provides friendship which is manifested with evidence of his holy spirit througout a person's life long term -some people walk away as I posted previously

Proof is something long term, it stays in your mind forever, it cannot be debunked, it will affect your thinking long term, forever. The only basis for Bible faith. A person is convinced for life.

But God does not just come to people until they show faith. Not only in expectation but in action.

I disagree somewhat, take Nicodemus for example, he concluded from the evidence not from faith .Take the preaching work of JC, God's Holy Spirit in action, God just comes to all kinds of people with proof. However, I agree that a person has to be rightly disposed to see the evidence. Proof from God is very special, it also affects a person's emotions and spirituality not only the mind. God's Holy Spirit is very visible. People cannot see because of spiritual blindness. But once they do, they start to see the evidence, Proving yourself is about receiving the reward which involves long term faith but before a person can have faith he needs something to base his faith upon which is not wishful thinking or idolatry. Take "Babylon the great's" followers, the Jews, Xtians, etc, they have faith without proof.