Posts by Fisherman

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put youir thinking caps on.

by zeb in

this was sent to me from doug shields blog.

for those who like stats and numbers may find this of interest.. 1914 – recognizing the ”the elephant in the room”.

the problem with the date ”1914 ad” lays with the two calendars that are involved – jewish and gregorian.

put youir thinking caps on.

by zeb in

this was sent to me from doug shields blog.

for those who like stats and numbers may find this of interest.. 1914 – recognizing the ”the elephant in the room”.

the problem with the date ”1914 ad” lays with the two calendars that are involved – jewish and gregorian.

Fisherman

539-70 is very clear. Wt 607 is a valid interpretation. And that is that.

Isaiah 50:1 is also clear:

50 This is what Jehovah says:“Where is the divorce certificate of your mother, whom I sent away?Or to which of my creditors did I sell you?Look! It was because of your own errors you were sold,And because of your own transgressions your mother was sent away.

In the above quoted scripture, the prophet Isaiah refers to God's covenanted people as a nation, as the mother of you people, God being in a husbandly like covenant with the entire nation. But the scripture also refers to the nation as being sent away at that time before the desolation actually occured, as if it already happened and the nation was already in captivity, before the desolation. Hence this scripture is prophetic, being "sent away" was future but as certain as if it had already occurred. And so, your enterpretation of the verses you cite and the interpretation of others as to when the Bible says events actually happened versus the prophetic language of the Bible. You, yourself admitting to being confused about Isa 50:1

It is well established and accepted that the king of Babylon raided Jerusalem 2x. The first time taking part of the nation captive Ez1:1.

It was to king Zedekiah that the prophet Ezeqiel said: "Remove the turban and lift of the crown..remove even the high one..a ruin I shall make it.... it shall cerainly become no one's" (the throne still having a king as Ezeqiel spoke) The "70 years" was a future event and did not begin with the first raid. But you can believe and interpret what you like, your views not invalidating WT. I respect your views and conclusions about the verses you cite but they do not establish the date of the destruction of the first Temple and of Jerusalem. I have posted a very simple method of extrapolating the date.

The desolation begins after the destruction of Jerusalem, the land rests 70 years, then a remnant is to be restored. Going back in time, Babylon falls and the Jews return; subtract 70 years from the date Jewish feet trample Jerusalem ending its rest and one arrives at circa 607. That is how I see it. And I rest my case.

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Moral High Ground

by Spoletta in

it seems that the other threads about trump's policies are veering off into endless ideological theories about how much better we are than islam.

does anyone think there is a chance that islam can be changed in the same manner that christianity has over the centuries?

with the inflow of ideas from western countries into the middle east, will people gradually want to move away from sharia law to something less patriarchal and cruel?

Fisherman

I have dealt with a couple types of Islamics in the US. One type is passive; this type is not very observant, the other types are more observant, and the higher up you go in being observant, the more aggressive and expressions of forced change and punishment to those that break Islamic laws or do not embrace their religion.

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Moral High Ground

by Spoletta in

it seems that the other threads about trump's policies are veering off into endless ideological theories about how much better we are than islam.

does anyone think there is a chance that islam can be changed in the same manner that christianity has over the centuries?

with the inflow of ideas from western countries into the middle east, will people gradually want to move away from sharia law to something less patriarchal and cruel?

Fisherman

So why exactly is it that Islam won't be able to change?

Your post makes logical sense but for Catholics the fiat comes from Rome and other Christian rival religions also have their heads who can dictate policy. Islam has no such ungered heads that can dictate change and the only fiat that can be expected is one with a car bomb.

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Moral High Ground

by Spoletta in

it seems that the other threads about trump's policies are veering off into endless ideological theories about how much better we are than islam.

does anyone think there is a chance that islam can be changed in the same manner that christianity has over the centuries?

with the inflow of ideas from western countries into the middle east, will people gradually want to move away from sharia law to something less patriarchal and cruel?

Fisherman

change how? another prophet, another book? The only interpretaion of their holy book is literal, chopping of hands, stoning, and Isis, the most refined form since their holy prophet.

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put youir thinking caps on.

by zeb in

this was sent to me from doug shields blog.

for those who like stats and numbers may find this of interest.. 1914 – recognizing the ”the elephant in the room”.

the problem with the date ”1914 ad” lays with the two calendars that are involved – jewish and gregorian.

Fisherman

Compare Jeremiah 29:10 with Isaiah 50:1.

Isaiah 50:1 is prophetic, the Jews not in exile yet. Your referenced scripture is about the completion of 70 and does not establish its start, and its interpretation must also reconcile with 539-70.

Your belief depends upon interpretation but 607 depends upon 539. So unless you can debunk 539, 607 makes sense to me.

45

put youir thinking caps on.

by zeb in

this was sent to me from doug shields blog.

for those who like stats and numbers may find this of interest.. 1914 – recognizing the ”the elephant in the room”.

the problem with the date ”1914 ad” lays with the two calendars that are involved – jewish and gregorian.

Fisherman

The land had to pay back its Sabbaths, resting 70 years not 47.

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put youir thinking caps on.

by zeb in

this was sent to me from doug shields blog.

for those who like stats and numbers may find this of interest.. 1914 – recognizing the ”the elephant in the room”.

the problem with the date ”1914 ad” lays with the two calendars that are involved – jewish and gregorian.

Fisherman

Gven the historical date 539, without any other obfuscation:

Since the Jews returned to Jerusalem circa 537, being in captivity 70 years,

537 -70 = 607

This isn't because the wt says as you can see.

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Infinity versus nothing

by Fisherman in

some people like to believe in something others believe in nothing; so in what location did the substance that expanded into the time/space universe exist before the big bang?

where did the energy that caused the big band come from?

how did the substance that became the big bang change from being inert and sterile and come to life to having the properties and drive that it does?

Fisherman

Where is the location on earth 360.7 miles north of the North Pole? It does not exist; you cannot put a photon in there nor anything else that exists including the tiny physical substance of the big bang. How can non existing things change and become physical things?

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put youir thinking caps on.

by zeb in

this was sent to me from doug shields blog.

for those who like stats and numbers may find this of interest.. 1914 – recognizing the ”the elephant in the room”.

the problem with the date ”1914 ad” lays with the two calendars that are involved – jewish and gregorian.

Fisherman

not the prophetic mythical version

Fin, 539 is a historical date. There is nothing mythical about it nor is the 70 years of Babylonian captivity mystical.