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  The Danger of Settlements

  by Tech49 in

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  i was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.

  conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.

  i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).

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  I would like to see it crippled, though, because it sorely deserves that fate multiple times over.

  Why?
  
  
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  The Danger of Settlements

  by Tech49 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.

  conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.

  i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).

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  penalties or fines

  Is a punishment for breaking the law. What law is wt breaking?

  Why do you want to cripple wt?

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

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  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  I'm sure you don't either.

  Don't be do sure cofty. There is a lot that you have not seen or know about.

  It is like a person who won't listen to reason, does what he wants, sees things his way, you try to to show him -but he refuses to see. He will see alright. It is something like that.

  What you are saying about slavery and the horrific things that happen, those who see God also see and experience that too but don't blame God, They realize that God gave someone a lot of power and trust, someone whom he loved very dearly and that person betrayed God and God is going to stop that person but such person is causing the horror, not God. That is what the Bible says is his defense against charges against him.
  
  
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
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  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  Fin, I am saying that the evidence is there for all to see.
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  However since the New testament "Christian Greek Scriptures " he refuses to talk with humans and neither does his son Jesus Christ.....

  That is my point exactly. But what I am saying is that according to JW -He does.
  
  
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  Fin. Evidence versus myth. But Fin,the Bible says that Pharisees fought against empirical evidence from God, so sometimes people don't want the evidence becsuse it disturbs them.
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  This is What I Would Need in Order to Believe

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sometimes theists challenge atheists about what evidence would be required before they would believe.

  various unlikely scenarios are offered in reply.

  i have taken the bait myself in the past.. i think the correct answer is much more ordinary.

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  cofty, according to the Bible, God is not a wall - He has ears.

  He may not tell me what I want to hear but things are what they are.

  God gives each person individually verifiable evidence in addition to the Bible accounts about God. Enough evidence for each individual to conclude that he exist, that he is a personal God and a lot more. Why doesn't each person SEE the evidence?: spiritual blindness. Remember the GT bookstudy, the things that Jesus did in the misdts of his enemies and others too? "The kingdom of God is in your misdts! -powerful scripture. If that is a fact today, shouldn't there be discernible evidence? Look for the evidence with your heart if you really want it.
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  The "Paradise" as promised by the Watchtower

  by Saethydd in

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  i was thinking today about the descriptions of the future "paradise" presented by the watchtower, and i was struck by something about it.

  most of us are aware that the watchtower promotes an interpretation of the apocalypse that would result in the immediate execution of 99.9% of the population with no hope for resurrection.

  additionally, we have been told about the large group of people that are supposed to side with satan at the end of the thousand year reign of christ.

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  something I have thought about many times. Revelation says that those numbered and killed after the millennial reign would be "as sand on a seashore.

  So did I and that always worried me. And being the compassionate person that I am, I always prayed to God for them in advance hoping that maybe there is someway to help these people beforehand. I thought about this a lot and really felt sorry figuring that there must be some way to save all of them. I also was worried that I could be among these people; But I came to a realization. First, as it relates to me, my relationship with God is such that I trust him and I am not worried now what he will do to me.

  Also, but as the verse you reference relates to others, take for example the people that were around with Jesus; all that Jesus did was to relieve suffering and do good things to all and to what result? -they crucify him.

  Thus, patience has its limits and there comes a point where people have to be stopped. Take Satan for example -he just won't stop.

  The Bible says that Satan and a lot of people will be thrown into the barbecue and that is the nature of reality and I cannot change the nature of reality. And if Satan and a lot of people come after me in the millennium, I have had enough already at this side of Armaggedon and so has everbody else. Enough already, no sentiment from me at that point in time; plead you care with God and leave me alone. What a whole bunch of people don't realize is that there is accountability, God is abundantly merciful but once someone initiates some form of attack against God's friends, He will hear their cry for help and use all His power to stop them.

  
  
  
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  Is Jehovah God guilty of the Sin of Omission ?

  by smiddy in

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  in genesis ch.1&2 god warns adam that if he ate of the tree of knowledge of good and bad he would die .theire was nothing said about anything else.. you would expect humans would just die of old age like adam and eve did.. the wages of sin is death the bible tells us .so if he disobeyed jehovah god he knew he would die .. what he never knew and neither did any other human to come after him was just how many ways death would come to humans.. death by creatures that were created by god venomous creatures ,snakes spiders etc.,marine creatures sharks etc., bacteria /viruses etc.,insect carrying diseases such as the mosquito that causes thousands of deaths to children under 5 years old even today with malaria.,wild animals etc,.leprosy that even existed under theocratic rule in the nation of israel.. then their is the indignties humans go through in old age ,loss of bodily functions , mental capacity ,alzheimers ,neurological diseases that effect young and old.that reduce people to almost live not much better than a vegetable .

  natural disasters not to be excluded because these are in the control of god to afflict mankind or not.. the list of afflictions that humans have to suffer through before they die , from a loving god just boggles my mind.. and i have only scratched the surface of indignities humans have faced before they die.. so i ask the question is god jehovah guilty of the sin of omission ?

  or did he act out of vengeance for their disobedience and wanted to inflict greater punishment upon them.for disobeying him.. what are your thoughts ?.

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  Compare "him" "them" and "the man" in Gen 1:27 NWT.
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  Is Jehovah God guilty of the Sin of Omission ?

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in genesis ch.1&2 god warns adam that if he ate of the tree of knowledge of good and bad he would die .theire was nothing said about anything else.. you would expect humans would just die of old age like adam and eve did.. the wages of sin is death the bible tells us .so if he disobeyed jehovah god he knew he would die .. what he never knew and neither did any other human to come after him was just how many ways death would come to humans.. death by creatures that were created by god venomous creatures ,snakes spiders etc.,marine creatures sharks etc., bacteria /viruses etc.,insect carrying diseases such as the mosquito that causes thousands of deaths to children under 5 years old even today with malaria.,wild animals etc,.leprosy that even existed under theocratic rule in the nation of israel.. then their is the indignties humans go through in old age ,loss of bodily functions , mental capacity ,alzheimers ,neurological diseases that effect young and old.that reduce people to almost live not much better than a vegetable .

  natural disasters not to be excluded because these are in the control of god to afflict mankind or not.. the list of afflictions that humans have to suffer through before they die , from a loving god just boggles my mind.. and i have only scratched the surface of indignities humans have faced before they die.. so i ask the question is god jehovah guilty of the sin of omission ?

  or did he act out of vengeance for their disobedience and wanted to inflict greater punishment upon them.for disobeying him.. what are your thoughts ?.

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  chuck

  lol