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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

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  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  Fisherman

  Does a person incur guilt by becoming unclean?
  
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  Fisherman

  cofty, I told you to stick with the subject matter. But have it your way. I will play your game.

  Fisherman has used five isolated texts in an attempt to refute this position.

  Wrong, show how the text are isolated. Show how I am attempting to refute my position.

  It is really difficult to understand why you thought this had anything to do with the topic.

  Show why you believe that.

  Fishy - I have now dealt thoroughly with all five of the verses you used to try to refute my argument.

  No you havent.

  It is now your task to explain why Lev.17 classes killing an animal and eating it unbled as a serious crime but eating the unbled flesh of an animal found already dead as nothing but a temporary inconvenience.

  No it ain't. Your conclusions do not invalidate the prohibition to Israel not to eat dead animals. And stop posting your theories that do not invalidate the law as stated.
  
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  Fisherman

  sigh -TD

  What does that have to do with the subject?
  
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  Fisherman

  Absolutely not.

  under these circumstances the Law is giving PERMISSION to eat unbled meat.

  If an Israelite farmer found an animal "already dead" he was free to eat it with IMPUNITY..

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  (Deuteronomy 14:21) 21 “You must not eat any animal that was found dead. You may give it to the foreign resident who is inside your cities, and he may eat it, or it may be sold to a foreigner. For you are a holy people to Jehovah your God. . .

  (Numbers 15:40) 40 This will help you remember, and you will observe all my commandments and be holy to your God.
  
  (Numbers 15:30, 31) . . .“‘But the person who does something deliberately, whether he is native-born or a foreign resident, is blaspheming Jehovah and must be cut off from among his people. 31 Because he has despised Jehovah’s word and broken his commandment, that person should be cut off without fail. His own error is upon him.’”

  (Leviticus 17:14-16) 14 For the life of every sort of flesh is its blood, because the life is in it. Consequently, I said to the Israelites: “You must not eat the blood of any sort of flesh because the life of every sort of flesh is its blood. Anyone eating it will be cut off.” 15 If anyone, whether a native or a foreigner, eats an animal found dead or one torn by a wild animal, he must then wash his garments and bathe in water and be unclean until the evening; then he will be clean. 16 But if he does not wash them and does not bathe himself, he will answer for his error.’”

  Lev 17:14-16 distinguishes between the blood of dead animals and the blood of an animal sacrificed for food. Albeit eating dead animals was forbidden to the Israelites under the law of Moses confuting your bleiefs that it was not.
  

  (By the way, unless your color adds to the validity of your argument, you are wasting my time and everybody else that does not wish to be distracted from the subject matter -unless that is your intention.)
  
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  Fisherman

  Cofty, you did not answer my question.
  
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  Fisherman

  So, cofty, do you agree that an Israelite who deliberately ate a dead animal violated the Mosaic law in doing so?
  
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  Fisherman

  you asserted that deliberately doing things that causes uncleanness resulted in death. Burying a dead animal caused uncleanness.

  Having sex with your wife resulted in uncleanness but was not forbidden. Eating dead animals was forbidden.

  "You must not have sex with the wife of your fellow man, making yourself unclean" -. Lev 18:20

  
  
  
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  Fisherman

  
  

  Still refusing to give a simple answer to a simple question

  I already answered your question.
  

  If an Israelite shepherd found one of his sheep that had died during the night would he be executed for burying it?

  No
  

  
  

  
  
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  Fisherman

  2 - Anyone who eats some of its carcass must wash their clothes, and they will be unclean till evening.

  The law indicates that eating "some of its carcass" ( dead sheep ) results in uncleanness but the law also forbade eating dead animals: "must not eat"

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  There was no law against eating an animal found already dead as I proved with the quotes from Lev.11 and Lev.17. cofty

  
  
  
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  Fisherman

  You say that it was forbidden to become unclean and deliberately doing so resulted in death. cofty

  Leviticus 18

  24‘Do not make yourselves unclean by any of these things, for it is by all these things that the nations that I am driving out from before you have made themselves unclean. 25 Therefore, the land is unclean, and I will bring punishment on it for its error,