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  Russia - Who Will Get the Property of Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by OrphanCrow in

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  http://www.interessant.ru/politics/komu-dostanietsia-imushchie.

  who will get the property of jehovah's witnesses?.

  the sect "jehovah's witnesses", recognized as an extremist organization and banned in russia, owned real estate worth 4 billion rubles.

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  Fisherman

  Like I said...good luck with that, Fishy

  Again, what are you talking about; good luck with what? What do you mean?

  Should WT appeal to ECHR and loose, then it seems they will have exhausted all legal means, and legally they have lost to Russia but should they prevail in ECHR, the Russian government is legally obligated according to the provisions of the Vienna Treaty regardless of whether or not the Russian government chooses to believe it or not at this time.

  Albeit anyone can point a gun to someone's head and take their property, but if it is illegal, at some point in time legal consequences are inevitable. But the legal battle is ongoing, wt may still loose in ECHR should they appeal to this Court.
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  Russia - Who Will Get the Property of Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.interessant.ru/politics/komu-dostanietsia-imushchie.

  who will get the property of jehovah's witnesses?.

  the sect "jehovah's witnesses", recognized as an extremist organization and banned in russia, owned real estate worth 4 billion rubles.

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  Fisherman

  Good luck with that.

  Russia is part of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, meaning the new bill signed by Putin does not relieve the Russian government of its legal obligations.
  
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  Russia - Who Will Get the Property of Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.interessant.ru/politics/komu-dostanietsia-imushchie.

  who will get the property of jehovah's witnesses?.

  the sect "jehovah's witnesses", recognized as an extremist organization and banned in russia, owned real estate worth 4 billion rubles.

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  Fisherman

  Russian government has a legal obligation to implement rulings of international human rights bodies established by international treaties such as ECHR.

  https://treaties.un.org/pages/ViewDetailsIII.aspx?src=TREATY&mtdsg_no=XXIII-1&chapter=23&Temp=mtdsg3&lang=en
  

  
  
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  Russia - Who Will Get the Property of Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.interessant.ru/politics/komu-dostanietsia-imushchie.

  who will get the property of jehovah's witnesses?.

  the sect "jehovah's witnesses", recognized as an extremist organization and banned in russia, owned real estate worth 4 billion rubles.

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  Fisherman

  But suppose WT wins in ECHR, what enforcement powers does the Court have?

  What consequences for Russia if they defy ECHR judgment ?
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  Can you prove Jesus existed outside of Bible (so called) evidence?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
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  i thought i'd done a thread on this before but can't find it.. so.

  did jesus actually exist?.

  without using the bible i'd like to see obvious proof..

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  Fisherman

  Punk, I can understand not believing in Jesus, that requires faith. That he truly was a historical person does not require faith.
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  Can you prove Jesus existed outside of Bible (so called) evidence?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
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  i thought i'd done a thread on this before but can't find it.. so.

  did jesus actually exist?.

  without using the bible i'd like to see obvious proof..

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  Fisherman

  Here is food for thought. Since our modern calendar is based upon a fictional event, maybe all other events are also fictional.
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  Can you prove Jesus existed outside of Bible (so called) evidence?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i thought i'd done a thread on this before but can't find it.. so.

  did jesus actually exist?.

  without using the bible i'd like to see obvious proof..

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  Fisherman

  Thor is not a number. If you already believe that JC is fiction, you cannot be convinced. My references are only something to consider. Did not say it was proof but it is evidence outside the Bible. Also, if you don't like Josephus because he refers to Jesus, what is fictional about his account of the siege of Jerusalem?
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  Can you prove Jesus existed outside of Bible (so called) evidence?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i thought i'd done a thread on this before but can't find it.. so.

  did jesus actually exist?.

  without using the bible i'd like to see obvious proof..

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  Fisherman

  Josephus, today's date.
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  Christian Times: Jehovah's Witnesses consider European court appeal after Russian Supreme Court upholds ban on sect

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  http://www.christiantimes.com/article/jehovahs-witnesses-consider-european-court-appeal-after-russian-supreme-court-upholds-ban-on-sect/72529.htm.

  july 19, 2017the jehovah's witnesses expressed its plans to appeal to the european court of human rights in strasbourg after the russian supreme court upheld a ruling that banned the sect and declared it as an "extremist" organization.

  "we plan to appeal this at the european court of human rights as soon as we can.

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  Fisherman

  How could jw possibly loose in that European Court? But it does not seem that Russia will abide by any such Court ruling that would go against their SC decision.
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  Russian Ban upheld - JWs lose appeal

  by OrphanCrow in

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  the supreme court of russia has rejected the jehovah's witnesses' appeal.. https://jw-russia.org/news/17071719-195.html.

  july 17, 2017 the supreme court of russia has missed the last chance to restore law and justice for the 175,000 russian citizens professing the religion of jehovah's witnesses.

  it took less than an hour of the meeting a panel of three supreme court judges, to leave unchanged the decision taken earlier by the judge yuri ivanenko, the liquidation and ban any and all registered organizations of the religion.since there is no more effective domestic remedies, the believers will appeal to the european court of human rights and other international organizations.. *note: as reported by the jworg source, jw-russia.org.

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  Fisherman

  Russia

  Coincidence: Yesterday 7/17/17 7 earthquakes total ranging from 4.4 to 7.7.

  Today 5 earthquakes so far ranging from 4.1 to 5.3.

  Only stating a fact.