One last note: If you left before your time the Society would send a letter to your draft board stating that you were no longer a full time minister! What a way to treat volunteers.
I don't know if they had a choice or were required by law. Other religious orders had the same provisions, for example, the Catholics had a Brother position which was easier than priest and during that time a lot of draft age Catholics joined that order for the purpose of not being drafted and they had to stick it out. If they left, the found themselves parachuting out of a plane to Nam. - But not being able to pioneer if you left or kicked out of Bethel was not required by law.
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Chapter 26 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave
by new boy inwe wanted sex too.
so why did he get married?
so they punishment you for leaving bethel and getting married?
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Chapter 26 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave
by new boy inwe wanted sex too.
so why did he get married?
so they punishment you for leaving bethel and getting married?
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The draft ended in 1973 and I don't remember pioneer bros getting 4d after that when they registered. I only remember Bethel requiring that bros register but I don't remember 4d was required. What do you say NewBoy?
Very interesting posts Anasthasius and NewBoy.
I remember the bell going off in the morning to get up and go to breakfast, 19 distinctive dings. It rang a couple of times and if you waited till the last bell, you found yourself running to the table and sitting just before the gb spoke (hopefully).
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Chapter 26 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave
by new boy inwe wanted sex too.
so why did he get married?
so they punishment you for leaving bethel and getting married?
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and all I had to do was show my Draft Board the letter from the Society stating that I had been accepted as a Pioneer Minister and they gave me the 4D
Was that the same in every state? Because I know brothers that pioneered and got drafted and could not go to bethel until they cleared it up. And back in the day you couldn't go to bethel unless you pioneered first. I know bros that got accepted to Bethel but had problems with the draft and until that was solved they could not go.
Back in those days all young single male JWs pioneered and kept their 4D classification as long as they stayed in the Pioneer service.
100 hours a month was not easy.
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Chapter 25 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave
by new boy inchapter 25. lola la la la lola.
i’m not sure where i met steve h but it was love at first sight.
not physical love, thought looking back i don’t think he would have minded that.
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at the St. George
The St George had a salt water swimming pool on one of the the top floors. A friend got groped by a gay while in the water. I think the Clark street subway entrance was inside that Hotel and one took the elevator to the street level.
The Heights became more and more gay throughout the years and they were wearing jeans with a handkerchief in the left or the right pocket and they would not only walk throughout the heights but also hang out on the promenade. The wt did not want the Bethelites to wear jeans for that reason.
That era was during the Moonie movement and the Harry Krishnas. Years later the Harry Krishnas had a Temple near the 25 Building on the street that goes to the water. You could see a magnificent view of the twin towers there by the water.
Muggings were common in that era and since the dollar went a long way back then, even mugging a poor Bethelite was fruitful. I remember Songer tackling a purse snatcher that tried to steal a purse from a sister.
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Chapter 26 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave
by new boy inwe wanted sex too.
so why did he get married?
so they punishment you for leaving bethel and getting married?
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Yes true. You had to have a 4-D classification
I don't know. Every male 18+ had to register for the draft but not everyone was drafted until they hit the lottery. So, someone with with a 1A or was it 4 A classification could be accepted and work at Bethel, but should they be drafted, because they were in fact a minister serving at Bethel, got the 4D, but since that 4D was based upon their being in Bethel to begin with, leaving could invoke being drafted, I suppose, unless as you say, they continued full time service by pioneering.
I know WT did not want JW to use Bethel as a defense if they were being drafted before going to Bethel.
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Chapter 26 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave
by new boy inwe wanted sex too.
so why did he get married?
so they punishment you for leaving bethel and getting married?
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I know pioneers who got drafted while pioneering before going to Bethel and Bethel wanted nothing to do with them until they resolved their draft and then they could go to Bethel.
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Chapter 26 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave
by new boy inwe wanted sex too.
so why did he get married?
so they punishment you for leaving bethel and getting married?
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NewBoy, pioneers before going to bethel got drafted and had to fight the draft board before bethel took them if they had applied to go to Bethel. Bethelites were not drafted as far as I know. I think the Bethel ID card said minister of religion. Being in Bethel also resulted in a way to beat the draft and them machines or in the Laundry were better than the jungles of Vietnam. I didn't know that a person lost their minister of religion classification if they did not pioneer after leaving bethel.
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Breaking News - NK Missile Overflies Japan
by cofty instory breaking on reuters here.... kim jong-un seems determined to start a war.
nk is a national cult of personality.
hating the rest of the world is the first tenet of faith..
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-Let alone NK- I don't think that Russia nor China should be allowed to have nukes, but tipped ICBM are not cookies or toys that can be taken away from children.
If the US goes to war with NK at this time, it will be one of the biggest blunders ever made in American history.
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Breaking News - NK Missile Overflies Japan
by cofty instory breaking on reuters here.... kim jong-un seems determined to start a war.
nk is a national cult of personality.
hating the rest of the world is the first tenet of faith..
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HH, NK has NuKs and that's that, even though you think that they "should not be allowed to have" them. And the US can do nothing about it.
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Breaking News - NK Missile Overflies Japan
by cofty instory breaking on reuters here.... kim jong-un seems determined to start a war.
nk is a national cult of personality.
hating the rest of the world is the first tenet of faith..
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Chess. What move should the US make?
China and NK are consorts. US and China are business partners but enemies, rivals. Sanctions by China on NK are a show and China is forced to do it but they work it out. If China did not want NK to do what they are doing, China would not have to use sanctions. It was China who gave NK the tech to use against the US.
Read Morpheus posts - he convinced me.