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  Chapter 26 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

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  we wanted sex too.

  so why did he get married?

  so they punishment you for leaving bethel and getting married?

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  Fisherman

  There were lots of black females in the congregations. And a lot of cong were mostly black bros and sis and I felt they were the best congregations because they were generous and took care of the Bethelites with food with clothes with rides with money. But there were no interracial marriages at bethel. First marriage I remember in bb was mid 70s , white bro from bindery maintenance married a black sis.

  Some of these young bros left bb to marry local females, some with 4 or 5 kids. One bro I knew was very involved with a sis with many kids. I told him that I felt that he was making the biggest mistake in his life.
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  Chapter 26 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

  by new boy in

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  we wanted sex too.

  so why did he get married?

  so they punishment you for leaving bethel and getting married?

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  Thanks for your post Sparky about the 4D.

  So that explains it. Some bros that pioneered and got the 4D and got into some issues with the draft board before going to Bethel , BB would not accept them until they solved the problem without help from bb. But you needed a 4D to get in. You couldn't go to BB and then get the 4D based on being at BB. You have a great memory NewBoy.
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  Chapter 27 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

  by new boy in

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  so you’re working about forty six hours a week at bethel.

  monday night was the bethel watchtower study, tuesdays and fridays nights were your meeting nights at the kingdom hall.

  that was your free time.

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  Fisherman

  Everyone was called down to be seen by doc Dixon at some point during the first six months or so and without notice, they just called you down. It was a quick visit. You filled out a questionaire about tobacco and drug use and then the good doctor told you to pull down your pants and took a look at your guy and at your rear end -only a look- then asked a couple of questions about your health and sent you back to work. The good doc Dixon saw every man's rear end and front in in Bethel.

  There were neat jobs if you got a job change but if they you kept in a job such as the hot laundry, the loud gatherers, or the monotonous machines, and you saw others getting a job change, you felt punished.
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  Chapter 27 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so you’re working about forty six hours a week at bethel.

  monday night was the bethel watchtower study, tuesdays and fridays nights were your meeting nights at the kingdom hall.

  that was your free time.

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  Fisherman

  It was the bobby fisher era and everyone in bb was playing chess until an article came out in the mag about chess being a game of war. It put a stop to the chess playing.
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  Chapter 26 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

  by new boy in

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  2. friends

  we wanted sex too.

  so why did he get married?

  so they punishment you for leaving bethel and getting married?

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  Fisherman

  One last note: If you left before your time the Society would send a letter to your draft board stating that you were no longer a full time minister! What a way to treat volunteers.

  I don't know if they had a choice or were required by law. Other religious orders had the same provisions, for example, the Catholics had a Brother position which was easier than priest and during that time a lot of draft age Catholics joined that order for the purpose of not being drafted and they had to stick it out. If they left, the found themselves parachuting out of a plane to Nam. - But not being able to pioneer if you left or kicked out of Bethel was not required by law.
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  Chapter 26 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

  by new boy in

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  we wanted sex too.

  so why did he get married?

  so they punishment you for leaving bethel and getting married?

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  Fisherman

  The draft ended in 1973 and I don't remember pioneer bros getting 4d after that when they registered. I only remember Bethel requiring that bros register but I don't remember 4d was required. What do you say NewBoy?

  Very interesting posts Anasthasius and NewBoy.

  I remember the bell going off in the morning to get up and go to breakfast, 19 distinctive dings. It rang a couple of times and if you waited till the last bell, you found yourself running to the table and sitting just before the gb spoke (hopefully).
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  Chapter 26 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

  by new boy in

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  we wanted sex too.

  so why did he get married?

  so they punishment you for leaving bethel and getting married?

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  Fisherman

  and all I had to do was show my Draft Board the letter from the Society stating that I had been accepted as a Pioneer Minister and they gave me the 4D

  Was that the same in every state? Because I know brothers that pioneered and got drafted and could not go to bethel until they cleared it up. And back in the day you couldn't go to bethel unless you pioneered first. I know bros that got accepted to Bethel but had problems with the draft and until that was solved they could not go.

  Back in those days all young single male JWs pioneered and kept their 4D classification as long as they stayed in the Pioneer service.

  100 hours a month was not easy.
  
  
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  Chapter 25 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

  by new boy in

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  chapter 25. lola la la la lola.

  i’m not sure where i met steve h but it was love at first sight.

  not physical love, thought looking back i don’t think he would have minded that.

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  Fisherman

  at the St. George

  The St George had a salt water swimming pool on one of the the top floors. A friend got groped by a gay while in the water. I think the Clark street subway entrance was inside that Hotel and one took the elevator to the street level.

  The Heights became more and more gay throughout the years and they were wearing jeans with a handkerchief in the left or the right pocket and they would not only walk throughout the heights but also hang out on the promenade. The wt did not want the Bethelites to wear jeans for that reason.

  That era was during the Moonie movement and the Harry Krishnas. Years later the Harry Krishnas had a Temple near the 25 Building on the street that goes to the water. You could see a magnificent view of the twin towers there by the water.

  Muggings were common in that era and since the dollar went a long way back then, even mugging a poor Bethelite was fruitful. I remember Songer tackling a purse snatcher that tried to steal a purse from a sister.
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  Chapter 26 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

  by new boy in

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  we wanted sex too.

  so why did he get married?

  so they punishment you for leaving bethel and getting married?

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  Fisherman

  Yes true. You had to have a 4-D classification

  I don't know. Every male 18+ had to register for the draft but not everyone was drafted until they hit the lottery. So, someone with with a 1A or was it 4 A classification could be accepted and work at Bethel, but should they be drafted, because they were in fact a minister serving at Bethel, got the 4D, but since that 4D was based upon their being in Bethel to begin with, leaving could invoke being drafted, I suppose, unless as you say, they continued full time service by pioneering.

  I know WT did not want JW to use Bethel as a defense if they were being drafted before going to Bethel.
  
  
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  Chapter 26 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

  by new boy in

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  we wanted sex too.

  so why did he get married?

  so they punishment you for leaving bethel and getting married?

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  Fisherman

  I know pioneers who got drafted while pioneering before going to Bethel and Bethel wanted nothing to do with them until they resolved their draft and then they could go to Bethel.