Posts by Fisherman

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Paradise? Was it?

by TerryWalstrom in

paradisewas it really paradise to be in paradise?adam and eve never were held by a mother, never cuddled and sung to with a lullaby nor nursed or coddled with tenderness or any human familial embrace.

the first humans (adam and eve) never learned to toddle surrounded by brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles and grandparents cheering them on.

the entire experience of childhood was excised surgically like a trauma patient awakening from an accident with amnesia.adam and eve were never in a neighborhood with other kids forming friendship bonds for life and exchanging dreams and hopes for a future they were building in their community.

Fisherman

I don't think that type of question toward the original poster is fair.

All I meant to say is that God was Adam and Eve's mother and father and that couldn't have been so bad, if you know what I mean.

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Paradise? Was it?

by TerryWalstrom in

paradisewas it really paradise to be in paradise?adam and eve never were held by a mother, never cuddled and sung to with a lullaby nor nursed or coddled with tenderness or any human familial embrace.

the first humans (adam and eve) never learned to toddle surrounded by brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles and grandparents cheering them on.

the entire experience of childhood was excised surgically like a trauma patient awakening from an accident with amnesia.adam and eve were never in a neighborhood with other kids forming friendship bonds for life and exchanging dreams and hopes for a future they were building in their community.

Fisherman

I mean: really? Is this PARADISE or a ridiculous fantasy story passed down from primitive minds?

Sounds to me like you never experienced any real intimacy with God. Or maybe you forgot.

Interesting thread though!

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Help! Mike & Kim videos all being deleted by Youtube

by mrmagic in

due to watchtower flagging the mike & kim videos on youtube for copyright, youtube is giving them 6 days before they are shutting down their entire youtube channel.

can you help with a mass downloading program and then reuploading them on a mirror ?

would hate to lose all those good videos!

Fisherman

@JWGB

That was a good one! You lost the bait but you caught Fisherman.😀😀😀😀😀

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Does Morality Exist?

by Fisherman in

some people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.

some people don't.. does morality exist?

if so, prove it..

Fisherman

you don't accept the idea that morality is simply a social construct. - TD

Even if enforceable laws based on arbitrary standards did not exist, right and wrong actions exist, socially constructed in cooperation for the purpose of well-being as expressed on this thread. But all that is, is well-being and labeled as morality -also expressed by a poster. Another poster expressed that the concern for the well-being of others, also known as empathy, was not given to humans by God but evolved in the human organism as a result from successful cooperation that resulted in prosperity. So concern and other human "virtues" are not endowed by God but are merely mechanisms that evolved for the purpose of survival of the species originating from successful cooperation or social construct. If this is what you are saying that morality is, there is nothing moral about morality. It is only a device that evolved for the purpose of the survival of the species. That is all it is. And our feelings are lying to us. And "morality"is only a gimmick designed by evolution to survive as a species for no other purpose than to exist successfully and to survive - and then die.

I enjoyed reading many of the posts although I did not express that to each of the posters.

TD, Oh, the elegance of your written expressions!

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Help! Mike & Kim videos all being deleted by Youtube

by mrmagic in

due to watchtower flagging the mike & kim videos on youtube for copyright, youtube is giving them 6 days before they are shutting down their entire youtube channel.

can you help with a mass downloading program and then reuploading them on a mirror ?

would hate to lose all those good videos!

Fisherman

The WT is not the only one who lost...Where the hale is Fisherman? Somewhere sulking and pouting for sure!

My posts on this thread were replies to other post stating that KM violating copyright laws is the moral thing to do. I never stated that KM should loose or would loose. I have consistently posted that if KM violated copyright laws or violated a Court Order whether or not the Court is moral, KM would pay a price. How did I loose?

How did Wt loose since wt material continues to be copyright protected and still subject to Fair Use? Also, Fair Use is not a license to use copyright material indiscriminately other than within the parameters of Fair Use.

Also how did WT loose? Aren't KM still worried? Didn't KM say that wt is not pursuing the case until wt attorneys actually argue the case in KM's venue?

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Does Morality Exist?

by Fisherman in

some people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.

some people don't.. does morality exist?

if so, prove it..

Fisherman

@ Cofty - As if your latest post substantiates or invalidates anything that has been posted on this thread. Cofty, all you do on this Forum is to post conclusions and and cut and paste. Nathan Natas summed you up. Nothing more needs to be said.

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Need help understanding the Overlapping Generation teaching

by Jules Saturn in

so this is a topic that seriously boggles my mind and please correct me if i'm wrong.

to me, the jw definition of the overlapping generation teaching is that the lives of the anointed from 1914 overlap with the lives of the anointed right now.

david splane used the example of fred franz and how he finished his "earthly course" in 1992 but while he did, he had a lot of "contemporaries" that outlived him and are currently living today.

Fisherman

When a group of people are trying to solve a crossword puzzle, sometimes they get stumped on a word, so everyone agrees to write down some word in pencil and if it doesn't fit the puzzle, they erase it and write down the other word in pencil until the puzzle is solved. Sometimes a word seems at first to fit the puzzle but later on it does not. So until the word is invalidated, it is valid. --Just a guess.

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Separation and Dubs

by DATA-DOG in

hey everyone,.

i haven't posted for some time.

i've been busy with life in the real world.

Fisherman

I think that a pussy cat will take off if no tuna fish after a month. Who can blame him?

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Does Morality Exist?

by Fisherman in

some people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.

some people don't.. does morality exist?

if so, prove it..

Fisherman

People don't harm other conscious beings and help and assist other conscious being- that are "non- agents"- not because it is the moral thing to do but because of human feeling, compassion, empathy, love. Such human feelings are not standards. People will do those things based on human feeling.

Lets consider "morality" from what the Bible says and I am not saying that's morality. The word morality is used in the Bible aprox. 99 percent of the time in the context of sexual immorality, that's it. And according to Saename, such consentual conduct is not harming anyone.

In the US, it is too risky to try to help someone besides giving him a couple of bucks because you can get sued. Let's say you are on the train and you see what you believe is someone getting robbed and you intervene and for some reason the person is injured, you can be held legally responsible, or maybe they will implicate you as part of the robbery, or maybe what you believe is a robbery is not a robbery at all but part of a bigger picture between the two people and you wind up helping the wrong person.

If morality exists then the morality I see is mostly survival and not getting caught and that's if you want to call that morality. Well-being is based on human nature not social construct.

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Does Morality Exist?

by Fisherman in

some people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.

some people don't.. does morality exist?

if so, prove it..

Fisherman

Saename,

You say that morality exists because you feel that it is wrong to harm others whether or not legislation governs such action. And you also feel that it is wrong to harm others whether or not the law says it is legal to do so or society says it is acceptable, Hitler for example. You also said that saving someone from harm ( considering the risk) is the moral thing to do. You also said that morality should be based upon whether or not actions harms others. You believe that morality is a "social construct." That is all you said.

Yeah, and in some other countries there also exist laws which allow you to kill your daughter because she was raped. It's called "honour killing." Is that well-being too, or are they using their own arbitrary standard?

Laws don't "allow". They proscribe or compel. The honor killing is probably one of your social constructs.

No, they don't. In Canada, we don't legislate cheating,

Depends on how you personally are defining cheating; If you mean fraud, it is a crime in Canada too. Cheating is a lesser form of fraud, and depending on the cheating, an exam for example, it is punishable.

You stated earlier that my belief that tattoos are wrong are based upon religious feelings and deep emotional feelings. You are wrong, a lot of non religious people feel the same way I do and my view is not based upon emotions or religion. I think that the person with tattoos is the one with emotional issues. I think you are wrong.

i can't address every wrong statement that you have made on this thread but saying that you have shown that morality exists and getting upset doesn't show that it does.

I never said that morality does not exist. I only said you did not prove that it does. Show me please where you have shown that it does. Stop getting nervous.

People base right and wrong on what they believe personally and emotionally based on past experience and on future consequences . Will a person avoid injuring someone or save someone from injury, or help someone out of empathy and compassion - a non agent - Yes, it is the human thing to do based on love. Other than that, people will do whatever they feel they can can get away with namely punishment from God or the law or getting caught.

Let's say that you say that cheating is not moral. I have a Medical Degree in my country. I am a qualified surgeon. I go to Canada. I have to pass exams there that are designed to make foreign doctors fail and a million other requirements impossible to meet - maybe in 4 years. Is it moral for me to cheat if I can get away with it? Or are the exams and qualification standards unfair?