How could the High Priest see Jesus coming if the Parousia was later? Well, one way of interpreting the the scripture is that sometime before the fellow died: Tam Taramtam.
Fisherman
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One Question to ask any JW that will blow their end times out of the water
by maccauk inask any jw this one question.
are there any apostles from the 1st century still walking the earth alive today ?.
100% will say there are no apostles from the 1st century alive today.
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One Question to ask any JW that will blow their end times out of the water
by maccauk inask any jw this one question.
are there any apostles from the 1st century still walking the earth alive today ?.
100% will say there are no apostles from the 1st century alive today.
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If the NT is a bunch of lies - end of discussion. But let's consider that The NT is true: Then Jesus was resurrected and before ascending to heaven, he was seen by few and after he ascended he communicated with Paul and John and gave evidence of his presence. Point is that there was solid evidence - but not to everyone. The ironic scripture and one of my favorites "The kingdom of God is in your midsts." -People can't see the hidden elephant in plain sight. After Jesus was resurrected, there was no main concern about healing the blind , etc. or ending human suffering. The main focus was to establish a church and to spread Chrisianity all over the world. Jesus was at first according to the scriptures with the Christian movement but then xtians became lion food and the movement continued until the sword to a persons neck transformed a person to xtianity. For aprox a couple thousand years, the movement continued all over the world through Babylon the Great using the inquisition, the crusades and other methods of conversion to Christianity. -Absolute horror! : the native Americans, the Blacks, any creature that opposed the Church, etc. -Then came 1914 to an already Christianized world, the end of the Gentile Times, Jesus appears again and the main concern is the church and the JW Christian movement.
But here is the thing, the evil that the xtian church has done does not invalidate the good that Jesus taught and did or Bible Christianity. The question is why did Jesus not stay with the church he started in 33 CE? Assuming the NT, the only logical answer is Satan, Gentile Times, -and the Parousia at a later date. ( not saying this later date is 1914 )
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The Second Coming of Christ
by maccauk inthe second coming of christ was in the 1st century at the destruction of jerusalem the temple the law and the old covenants.
so the new eternal covenant came into force in which people of every tribe tongue and naation would enter into.
the new jerusalem not built by human hands nor with bricks and mortar its spiritual cannot be seen but people will stream to it the sin issue is done there is no more judgment for those in christ .
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@DJ
Given: NT= Prophecy
Solve for:
1. Answer my question
2. 2nd Coming. ( It is elementary that fulfillment is based on prophecy.
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The Second Coming of Christ
by maccauk inthe second coming of christ was in the 1st century at the destruction of jerusalem the temple the law and the old covenants.
so the new eternal covenant came into force in which people of every tribe tongue and naation would enter into.
the new jerusalem not built by human hands nor with bricks and mortar its spiritual cannot be seen but people will stream to it the sin issue is done there is no more judgment for those in christ .
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DJ, you still have not shown relevance in your related posts directed at me.
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The Second Coming of Christ
by maccauk inthe second coming of christ was in the 1st century at the destruction of jerusalem the temple the law and the old covenants.
so the new eternal covenant came into force in which people of every tribe tongue and naation would enter into.
the new jerusalem not built by human hands nor with bricks and mortar its spiritual cannot be seen but people will stream to it the sin issue is done there is no more judgment for those in christ .
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This isn't your thread. You don't make the rules
@ DJ I never said it was my thread and I am not making rules and I cannot stop you from posting about why you like peanut butter sandwiches, but you addressed your related posts to me and I was only explaining my question as it relates to this Topic in my posts to you; anyway, you have diverted the Topic and have not answered my question, and haven't shown how peanut butter has any relevance to this discussion. Nothing wrong with peanut butter sandwiches if that is what you like to talk about.
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The Second Coming of Christ
by maccauk inthe second coming of christ was in the 1st century at the destruction of jerusalem the temple the law and the old covenants.
so the new eternal covenant came into force in which people of every tribe tongue and naation would enter into.
the new jerusalem not built by human hands nor with bricks and mortar its spiritual cannot be seen but people will stream to it the sin issue is done there is no more judgment for those in christ .
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DJ: My only point is that your related post is not relevant to the topic or to my question. ( Not debating if it is true or false.) I was not saying that your post is trash or judging the vaue of your information. I only meant to say that if the gospels are not prophetic, I have no interest. My question considers the gospels and by extension the NT as prophetic. If you can't think in those terms, you should recuse yourself from trying to answer my question.
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The Second Coming of Christ
by maccauk inthe second coming of christ was in the 1st century at the destruction of jerusalem the temple the law and the old covenants.
so the new eternal covenant came into force in which people of every tribe tongue and naation would enter into.
the new jerusalem not built by human hands nor with bricks and mortar its spiritual cannot be seen but people will stream to it the sin issue is done there is no more judgment for those in christ .
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Remember, the writer is trying to make Jesus sound like he is foretelling the destruction of the Second Temple, an event that happened before the gospels were composed. --DJ
Then throw the NT in the garbage. -Who has time? This thread and my question assumes the NT is from God.
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The Second Coming of Christ
by maccauk inthe second coming of christ was in the 1st century at the destruction of jerusalem the temple the law and the old covenants.
so the new eternal covenant came into force in which people of every tribe tongue and naation would enter into.
the new jerusalem not built by human hands nor with bricks and mortar its spiritual cannot be seen but people will stream to it the sin issue is done there is no more judgment for those in christ .
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But on the day that Lot went out of Sodʹom, it rained fire and sulfur from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 It will be the same on that day when the Son of man is revealed. 31 “On that day let the person who is on the housetop but whose belongings are in the house not come down to pick these up, and likewise, the person out in the field must not return to the things behind.
If the above verses are future, why do the verses use language directed at the people listening to Jesus if God had no intention whatsoever to fulfill any part of the prophecy in the first century?
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U.K. NHS Attitude to Blood Transfusion and its Safety
by BluesBrother inwhile visiting someone at the local hospital i saw this leaflet " will i need a blood transfusion ?
- patient information" .
now i was raised in the belief that doctors are transfusion-happy and just give you one willy nilly if they operate , further that a trans.
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Because the organization tries to enforce compliance via undue influence, i.e. coercion, manipulation, implanting of phobias, publishing of old and misleading data, shunning, etc, etc. -Lee
I think that you are misrepresenting WT on this thread. WT does not coerces any JW, not to commit adultery, apostasy, etc. nor coerces JW not to accept BT.
More than one loved one besides many friends are physicians. They receive special training on how to handle JW patients that need BT. Not every doctor understands JW theology on blood but it doesn't matter, they are very prepared to give blood to any person that wants it. Even after all papers are signed, a doctor may go up to a patient right before anesthesia and ask again his wishes and do everything in his power to convince a JW to accept blood - after all it is a doctor's job to help the patient.
A JW doesn't have to sign the card, doesn't have to carry it and can do whatever he wishes. It is between him and God. As I have pointed out numerous times, accepting BT is a sin according to wt teaching. According to wt doctrine, it is not up to personal conscience to commit idolatry, sexual immorality or accept a BT. But a person can commit these sins and repent. People can live a lie also if they want to or choose whatever they like to do. God is the final judge.
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How Many Witnesses Would Really Take Blood?
by minimus inup until the very end, my mother refused blood.
it didn't matter if it was a blurred line or not, the bible says "no blood"!
i wonder if she was in the minority, in her thinking.
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would change their view of what is acceptable and not acceptable on the whim of the GB and not their own conscience.
I replied to this previously on this thread and have tried to make a point numerous times:
What does the Bible say? What a JW likes it to say or believes it says or what apostates says it says? There is part of the human conscience that does things instinctively and you don't need to open up the Bible -namely empathy towards other conscious creatures and personal conduct. There is another part of conscience that is subjective, referred to by the wt as "Christian trained concience" and for this a JW has to open up the Bible and figure out what the Bible says, for example, the base scripture. JW base their conciences on what the WT says the Bible says. JW understand that a JW conscience will change based on what the wt says the Bible says. You call that a whim of the gb. JW see it as FDS, albeit JW conscience is affected.