Also, using cuss words and smoking on the video does not help their cause to get JW to sympathize with them, and the deception they used to disrupt the meeting and startle everyone there subtracts from anything good they intended to do. It could however incite someone's curiosity to investigate their allegations -if that is all they wanted to acompish.
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Exjw activists protesting inside a Kingdom Hall today!
by Crazyguy inspoonfed nomore, has uploaded a video on his youtube site, of exjw activists protesting inside a kingdom hall during this sunday meeting.
several people speak out.
if some one can put a link on here that would be awesome, i can’t figure out how to do it with an i phone.
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Does anyone have info on the guy that sued Jw in Canada
by poopie inbecause he was shunned by his customers?.
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Mr Wall given notice that his business would be affected. R456
In this case, respondent confessed to sinful conduct establishing guilt but df is not based upon guilt but upon what elders discern is godly repentance as elders determine guided by HS and asking for direction in prayer. Interesting to see how the court can review such JC decision in Canada.
I can understand if the brother disagrees with the elders and believes that he is repentant and should not be df but as a repentant JW he also believes in God's organization, etc.,etc., so how could he possibly turn to Caesar for justice.
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Does anyone have info on the guy that sued Jw in Canada
by poopie inbecause he was shunned by his customers?.
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Let's say that employer and employee were both JW. Employer could not legally fire a df employee and if he did, the courts would have authority over the situation but if the employer was df, it would be a matter of personal decision if employee wanted to quit or not. Could the employer bring the employee to court for not wanting to work for the reason of df? How could the Courts enforce ? How could the Court force Respondent's customers to do business with him in this related case? By adjudicating church practice as secular procedure and imposing rules of secular justice so that church discipline including expulsion measure up to a justiciable standard vs church doctrine judicially reviewable by the Court: Secular standards are standing in a holy place.
(But what if employee still refuses to work for employer? What can the Courts do?)
"Mr. So and So the decision of this JC is to df you but we can't do that based on legal standards that we are forced to follow, on religious grounds you are df but you still a legal member of this church."
"This is to inform the Cong that brother so and so is no longer a spiritual member of this church but legally he still is a member, you must legally continue to view him as a member. There is nothing we can do about it."
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Exjw activists protesting inside a Kingdom Hall today!
by Crazyguy inspoonfed nomore, has uploaded a video on his youtube site, of exjw activists protesting inside a kingdom hall during this sunday meeting.
several people speak out.
if some one can put a link on here that would be awesome, i can’t figure out how to do it with an i phone.
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they again spoke fairly calmly
It is not words that people fear. With a climate of crazy people going around shooting these days, an innocent person cannot predict what a person disrupting church services is going to do next.
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Exjw activists protesting inside a Kingdom Hall today!
by Crazyguy inspoonfed nomore, has uploaded a video on his youtube site, of exjw activists protesting inside a kingdom hall during this sunday meeting.
several people speak out.
if some one can put a link on here that would be awesome, i can’t figure out how to do it with an i phone.
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It is not only that disrupting church services, peaceful assembly is not fair and proper but also how innocent people attending the services are going to react and be affected. The intrusion startles people and with all the crazy people going around shooting, people don't know what to expect from the intruders. The intruders may know that all they want is to have their say but someone attending the services don't know that and could panic and fear for their life resulting in the intruders actually harming innocent people. A close up of the vid shows an elderly man that does not seem to be an elder, asking for the name of one of the intruders. The elderly man did not appear to be an elder of the congregation but seemed emotionally affected-suppose he then died from a heart attack-and who knows how many other people were were also affected. A reasonable person does not go inside a church and disrupt religious services, emotional people do. Such action could cause harm to innocent people and also puts the life of the intruder in danger, anything can happen.--Very irresponsible.
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Does anyone have info on the guy that sued Jw in Canada
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I speculate that Respondent's attorney persuaded the majority of the justices to have a trial Court review the "proceedure" JC's follow and ultimately impose a standard of natural justice and require JC to follow its own rules.
40 years or so ago, it was an open an shut case in favor of religious freedom but not today; there is a different ambience in the Courts towards religion.
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Does anyone have info on the guy that sued Jw in Canada
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John Davis, you have joined the ranks of the few most respected, contributory and valueable poster here with Marvin Shilmer, TD, Slimboyfat and a few others. Your posts are very informative and wealth of legal education and legal information.
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"Armageddon is already here"; "the preaching work is done" -- rogue teachings in your congregation?
by FatFreek 2005 inone of my jw sons seems to be putting pressure on his non-jw brother apparently to scare him into accepting the troof and start coming to meetings.
wild statements like our topic title, which i know are not supported at jw dot org, have been made to my non-jw son several times over the past year or so.
while i haven't been privy to the actual phone conversations i tend to believe that the jw son is being pressured by the local elders to cut ties with the non-jw since their conversations seem to degrade into arguments -- therefore tending to weaken the jws faith in wt teachings.. either my jw son is lying about what i would call rogue teachings (and this would disappoint me greatly) or he is in some close knit clique in his congregation which has secretly chosen to go rogue on certain wt issues.. based on many of the recent posts here about drastic money and wt organization problems this could be a sign of pending splits of certain congregation members.. what do you think?
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A change empirically coming from God that will impact everyone on the planet = "the end will come.."
This won't give JW any more faith-not an iota more-than they already have but it will convince them that the end finally is occurring.
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"Armageddon is already here"; "the preaching work is done" -- rogue teachings in your congregation?
by FatFreek 2005 inone of my jw sons seems to be putting pressure on his non-jw brother apparently to scare him into accepting the troof and start coming to meetings.
wild statements like our topic title, which i know are not supported at jw dot org, have been made to my non-jw son several times over the past year or so.
while i haven't been privy to the actual phone conversations i tend to believe that the jw son is being pressured by the local elders to cut ties with the non-jw since their conversations seem to degrade into arguments -- therefore tending to weaken the jws faith in wt teachings.. either my jw son is lying about what i would call rogue teachings (and this would disappoint me greatly) or he is in some close knit clique in his congregation which has secretly chosen to go rogue on certain wt issues.. based on many of the recent posts here about drastic money and wt organization problems this could be a sign of pending splits of certain congregation members.. what do you think?
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sign of pending splits of certain congregation members.
Talk and speculation and excitement but who wants to leave to start another religion? For what? Core JW have expectations and hope that the end will come in their lifetime and they have the mind frame that they will stick with wt whether or not the end comes. Changing things around doctrinally and saying that the GT is here or there or that it began 20 year ago or whatever does not change a thing. Babylon the Great must be attacked or some supernatural event or realization by hardcore atheists must occur: A change empirically coming from God that will impact everyone on the planet = "the end will come.." In the meantime, people are still dying and human suffering continues......
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Highwood Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses v. Randy Wall
by TerryWalstrom inhttp://www.scc-csc.ca/case-dossier/info/webcastview-webdiffusionvue-eng.aspx?cas=37273&id=2017%2f2017-11-02--37273&date=2017-11-02.
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If we win
What remedies are you asking for?