Posts by Fisherman

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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only

by Marbles in

i was never a jdubb, only a bible student.

there are two main questions i have.

let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.

Fisherman

The story makes it seem that David raped Bathsheba.

Thank you for bringing attention to Bathsheba’s role. David was convicted of murder and adultery not rape. So there needed to be a willingness or submission on her part regardless of her reasons. However, in the illustration that Nathan gave representing David’s actions, Bathsheba is pictured as a female lamb that king david killed which mitigates Bathsheba’s role. Another thing that needs to be considered is that there was no insidious scheme by Bathsheba or either of them that caused them to sin. It was circumstantial.

God’s justice is better than human’s because God is the standard for good so Uriah is no exception to someone that God allowed to be murdered like with Cain, Jesus, Steven and others. There is case law in the Bible where God executed the offspring of sinners such as in the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, Amalek and others. If there is one thing David had learned from reading God’s law was that his conduct would affect the life of his offspring. So David was to blame for the death of his adulterine son.

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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only

by Marbles in

i was never a jdubb, only a bible student.

there are two main questions i have.

let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.

Fisherman

Marbles,

Your questions can be answer from various theological perspectives and schools of thought. But understanding such answers and the reasons is not so easy to understand. For example, Talmudic Judaism teaches that angels don’t have free will in-spite of Rashi’s commentary on Gen 6:2. Rashi offers 2 explanations for benihaelohim. Talmudic Judaism prefers one because that is the same explanation Ramban uses in his commentary when he refers to Rashi—but even so, Rashi’s hated explanation for the verse is nonetheless still valid. Therefore, Talmudic Judaism concludes that Satan is a holy angel doing his job as prosecutor in God’s Court— sort of speak. And that evil comes from God even though He is holy—imagine that. Therefore, some Rabbi’s have commented that the holocaust came from God—imagine that. Christianity teaches that Satan is the source of evil although God sometimes allows evil to happen to his servants.

Talmudic Jews base their logic on the premise that the oral law us inspired. The Talmud stands on its own merit and cannot be debunked even with Tanakh whereas the Christian Scriptures depend on the OT and integrates itself with the OT.

For example, the Tannaim comment that the only sin king David committed relating to Uriah was not consulting with the sanhedrin and that king David did not murder Uriah. It uses sophistry in my opinion to argue that Uriah had slighted the king authorizing the king to execute Uriah and that during war married women became divorced from their husbands authorizing king david to sleep with Uriah’s wife in-spite of what Nathan told King David about his sin. Christianity though, refers to Bathsheba as the wife of Uriah. The christian scriptures interpret the OT based on context, literary device of the ot, teachings of Jesus whereas the Talmud interprets the Bible as an authority regardless of context and text implications.

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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only

by Marbles in

i was never a jdubb, only a bible student.

there are two main questions i have.

let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.

Fisherman

the animal is killed and then instantly has its throat cut to bleed it.

In non religious slaughterhouses, hopefully the animal is stunned so that it doesn’t feel pain and then bled. In the US, for example, cattle is shot in the head through the brain with an air piston device. In Bible times, however, there were no modern stunning methods. All they had was a knife and cutting the cartoid artery with a sharp knife rendered the animal unconscious before it was aware of it as it bled to death. That was the most humane method at that time.

Today, for production line slaughtering in religious slaughterhouses that is very time consuming so they use another method to secure the neck so they can cut it, which causes pain to the animal as the animal is struggling.—Romans 8:22 But the Jewish slaughterhouses, I believe, have a higher standard for healthy animals and I believe they sell below standard animals to gov inspected meat plants.

Another way to look at this is that being killed is painful any way. Making it less painful, the animal still suffers.

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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only

by Marbles in

i was never a jdubb, only a bible student.

there are two main questions i have.

let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.

Fisherman

My understanding is that the Jewish Rabbis who wrote the OT

Rabbis wrote the Mishnah and the Gemara not the OT.

The JW believe that the law covenant did not apply to Gentiles and further the same Mosaic law was abolished by the death of Jesus except the Noachide law pertaining to blood which preceded the law of Moses as stated in the Chumash. According to the “NT” command “Keep abstaining from blood,” JW believe this to mean that blood transfusions, eating blood or using some blood products such as those containing whole blood are forbidden. TD made an interesting rebuttal based on Pekuah Nephesh and God’s Law to Israel referring to the Torah: “ That you may LIVE by them. But this does not invalidate the command to Christians that they should abstain from blood as JW see it. According to today’s Pharisaic Judaism, any command can be broken to save a life except for murder, idolatry and adultery. JW believe that none of God’s commands can be broken including the one on blood as it applies to Christians even to “save a life”. TD argued that Jesus pointed to king David when he and his men ate the loaves of presentation which was not lawful to show his disciples did not sin by picking grain on the Sabbath. However, Jesus never said that this applied to making an allowance for Christians eating blood. Nor is it logical to conclude that.

Also, Karaite Jews reject the Talmudic interpretation of the OT as inspired or as the oral law. For example, they eat meat and dairy together.

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Watchtower says you can be Disfellowshiped for being Fat!

by Witness 007 in

watchtower 1974 p.167 "by disobediently over indulging in food and making a glutton of himself he shows no love for jehovah..in the presents of others does he ignore their needs and selfishly take more then his fair share?

is he grossly overweight gorging himself?

does he feel uncomfortable even getting sick...this person has no place in the congregation of god...they will not inherit gods kingdom.".

Fisherman

Gluttony

Seems to me that food was not easy to get in Bible times and if you greedily ate too much meant somebody else was affected —like if you greedily ate somebody else’s share of the food. I can see someone getting DF today under those set of circumstances —but when there is plenty of food for everybody around you, that ain’t gluttony.

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Where will the war in Ukraine lead to?

by Kosonen in

jw
friends

there has been comments in the news recently that the war in ukraine could be the beginning to the world war three.. i would not be surprised if it is.

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the bible says a time will come when the peace will be taken from the earth.. revelation 6:4 another came out, a fiery-colored horse, and it was granted to the one seated on it to take peace away from the earth so that they should slaughter one another, and he was given a great sword.. have you heard what possibly this war in ukraine could lead to?.

Fisherman

but the second fulfillment of wt interpretations do not fit.

Waton,

Maybe not but not arguing that in my post.

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Back to the Meetings. It's Offical!

by pistolpete in

yep, the vacation is over, it's time to go to work------for free!

😭😢😓😰😡.

https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/.

Fisherman

Waton

It is very convenient from home. Going back is a lot of work and getting used to.

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So why didn't Jehovah/ GB/ watchtower warn the brothers in Ukraine to get out before before the war started?

by nowwhat? in

if that had occured wouldn't that have given us confidence and faith for when the big one comes?

just sayin'.

Fisherman

Here was an opportunity to show

The WT does not have the evidence to anoint or endorse itself. That proof can only come directly from God to convince a person. So, the person would need to pray to God and not to the WT. And God should provide the evidence whether or not to trust the org. Once that trust had been established, WT appeals to the evidence from God-when in doubt- that has convinced the followers to have faith in the directions given by the leaders based on that evidence that has unequivocally established the trust. What WT is saying, even if it doesn’t make sense, remember the evidence. Trust the instrument’s attitude not yours. It is a personal decision and conclusion what each person chooses.

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Where will the war in Ukraine lead to?

by Kosonen in

jw
friends

there has been comments in the news recently that the war in ukraine could be the beginning to the world war three.. i would not be surprised if it is.

.

the bible says a time will come when the peace will be taken from the earth.. revelation 6:4 another came out, a fiery-colored horse, and it was granted to the one seated on it to take peace away from the earth so that they should slaughter one another, and he was given a great sword.. have you heard what possibly this war in ukraine could lead to?.

Fisherman

Armageddon is history. There is no future Armageddon

I don’t believe that, Van. I believe in ultimate justice and I’m convinced that Armageddon and the kingdom of God will do that

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Where will the war in Ukraine lead to?

by Kosonen in

jw
friends

there has been comments in the news recently that the war in ukraine could be the beginning to the world war three.. i would not be surprised if it is.

.

the bible says a time will come when the peace will be taken from the earth.. revelation 6:4 another came out, a fiery-colored horse, and it was granted to the one seated on it to take peace away from the earth so that they should slaughter one another, and he was given a great sword.. have you heard what possibly this war in ukraine could lead to?.

Fisherman

Why did Clinton keep Putin from joining NATO in 1990.

I think because he figured that Palestine would not support the state of Israel to Palestine’s demise.

Not too late, Palestine can still join Israeli forces and attack itself and other moslem forces. If that makes any sense like an oxymoron.