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  Jesus is Michael the Archangel

  by Fisherman in

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  only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

  “now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

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  Fisherman, you have been indoctrinated

  logical fallacy irrelevant. WT commentary stands.
  
  
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  Jesus is Michael the Archangel

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

  “now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

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  and so I don't consider the viewpoint conclusive

  Although I agree, Are the scriptures intentionally misleading the reader to conclude erroneously?
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  Jesus is Michael the Archangel

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
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  only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

  “now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

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  die and resurrect himself after three days....and then did it.

  Then he wasn’t dead. But he was dead and the Bible says that God resurrected Jesus from the dead. So what did Jesus mean since obviously dead killed Jesus could not resurrect himself? WT explains that Jesus was using a literary device illustrating faith, for example “ Your faith has made you well.” Poetic language illustrating Jesus’s faith.
  
  
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  Jesus is Michael the Archangel

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

  “now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

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  So, again. Only Jesus has the power and authority to kick Satan out of heaven.
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  Jesus is Michael the Archangel

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

  “now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

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  God does not exist.

  JJ

  The only thing I can say I know is a fact is that God exists. However. there are other things too I am convinced are true. But the existence of God is not a conclusion.
  
  
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  Jesus is Michael the Archangel

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

  “now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

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  DJW

  JW..0rg has an explanation and that is that. But Basically there are plenty of other verses showing Jesus praying and inferior to the Almighty who has never been seen, cannot be killed etc.. so I don’t want to rehash what wt has been publishing for a century.
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  Jesus is Michael the Archangel

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

  “now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

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  Why doesn't the Bible just say so?

  This is a recurring issue with the Bible,

  I’ve made the same observation. Well thought!

  For example in John 1:1: “The Word was God.” And other scriptures too, some are symbolic, Jesus coming in the clouds of heaven—which is also an allusion to the prophecy of the Messiah in Daniel which JW interpret that the return of Christ is invisible. But the Bible is left to interpretation. That’s the way the entire Bible is written-in poetic language, (even historical accounts have in addition poetic meaning for example Haagar and Sarah) except where it does define and explain meanings such as when Jesus explains who is the prophetic Elijah or clarifying the meaning of the “disgusting thing causing desolation” are the Roman Armies and then it has an additional interpretation applying to the attacker of false religion in our time.

  You have to figure everything out like trying to solve a picture puzzle and crossword puzzle at the same time. And you run into major problems like with the meaning of generation which the Bible defines is 80 years the average age of a person —and then this fails when applying to Jesus’s prophecy —which leads you to doubt your other parts of the puzzle you’ve solved as certainly true. Even what happens at death and who goes to heaven are conclusions. It all makes logical sense though—JW interpretation of the Bible—to the point of being mentally and emotionally convinced to the point of dying for your beliefs such as blood and political neutrality.
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  Jesus is Michael the Archangel

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

  “now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

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  Hi Smiddy!

  It’s a long time. I agree. Also, right after Jesus paid the ransom, why not act back then instead of waiting 2000 years later? And still we wait. What is the legal basis to hold humanity in captivity after the ransom? Before Alan F. who recently passed away wrote his article on the ransom, JW had published the Knowledge Book and in one of the chapters it addresses that question but doesn’t answer it much by saying that God could have brought the end after Jesus paid the ransom. God could have also killed satan immediately at Eden, or even have done things differently by looking into the future and preventing evil somehow using his Almighty powers. But that is how we see it as it seems to us. It is what is is and things are the way they are. We can logically try to find logical reasons for why but we can’t know for sure like the identity of Jesus is Michael is a conclusion. It is not outright defined in the Bible. I’m convinced that Jesus is Michael but how can we know for sure same as giving reasons for the questions you raise.
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  Jesus is Michael the Archangel

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

  “now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

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  Only Jesus has the power and authority to defeat Satan and kick him out of heaven:

  “Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God.”
  
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  Congregation in PA sues over mandatory reporting

  by Corney in

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  ivy hill congregation of jehovah's witnesses is currently suing the pa department of human services.

  it requests "a declaration that its elders are entitled to" clergy privilege, or, in the alternative,.

  to the extent that the clergyman privilege is determined to exclude its elders on the basis that they are "members of [a] religious organization[] in which members other than the leader thereof are deemed clergymen or ministers," the court declare the statute to be unconstitutional.

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  Hi AM!

  The case you reference was not decided by SCOTUS but by California State Court . WT appealed but Appeals Court affirmed the trial Court’s judgement. The lower Court compelled WT to disclose church documents but wt refused so the Court entered a default judgement. However Scotus has not ruled on this tension and the lower Court did not rule that ecclesiastical confidentiality does not apply to WT but only in this case. From the founding of the WT back in the early 1900, wt has been sued and prosecuted for not saluting the flag, not going to the military , preaching and a lot of other things. And after doing all this harm, later the government apologized for their error. Sometimes the WT looses in Court but there is no law that disqualifies wt “methodology” of ecclesiastical communications involving penitent confessions as you assert or wrongly apply this case and saying that Scotus decided that wt dies not legally have protected communications with its congregant or because of their methodology. But any document—or evidence of a crime— is subpoenable in any church. Also at baptism the Jehovah Witness subscribes ti the whole ball of wax including church process. Tired now good night