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Jesus is Michael the Archangel

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only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

“now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

Fisherman

intentionally mislead the reader to erroneously conclude God and Christ are the same.

I was referring to concluding that Jesus is Michael. Who else has the power and authority to evict Satan? The scriptures clearly distinguish between God and Jesus there is not mistake about it. God is God although Jesus may be given power of attorney to act as God’s proxy also such as Moses in roles. God has no role except that he can become whatever he likes if you consider that role playing.

Michael, one of the foremost princes,

You can read that the way you do but in harmony with all the other scriptures, the verse is not implying that there are many archangels. It is only another example of poetic language humbly describing Michael’s role in comparison to other angels not belittling them. Any angel can act as a prince for a particular purpose let’s say in some role on earth compared. to humans. Such angel can be considered a prince. Another way of looking at it is that Michael like other high ranking angels is a prince (but as God’s only begotten he is archangel.) But WT has made it clear that the belief that Jesus is Michael is a conclusion and not directly stated in God’s word. But. there is no other conclusion because Michael defeats and evicts Satan and only Jesus can do that.

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The Genesis 3:15 woman.

by Fisherman in

genesis 3:15 says that the woman’s seed would be in enmity with the serpent’s seed.

although the bible reveals that the woman’s seed is jesus and christians that go to heaven with christ, it does not identify the woman directly.

we at jw believe that the woman is symbolic.

Fisherman

Genesis 3:15 says that the woman’s seed would be in enmity with the serpent’s seed. Although the Bible reveals that the woman’s seed is Jesus and Christians that go to heaven with Christ, it does not identify the woman directly. Who is she? We at JW believe that the woman is symbolic. Paul referred to her as “our mother” in Galatians 4:26.

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Jesus is Michael the Archangel

by Fisherman in

only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

“now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

Fisherman

Hand waving wont work here Fisherman

Another fallacy.

Death is the opposite of life. That is why a resurrection is needed such as in Lazarus and others.

The difference with Jesus is that he is the first human to be resurrected to a Spirit creature to go to heavenly life.

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Jesus is Michael the Archangel

by Fisherman in

only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

“now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

Fisherman

Fisherman, you have been indoctrinated

logical fallacy irrelevant. WT commentary stands.

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Jesus is Michael the Archangel

by Fisherman in

only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

“now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

Fisherman

and so I don't consider the viewpoint conclusive

Although I agree, Are the scriptures intentionally misleading the reader to conclude erroneously?

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Jesus is Michael the Archangel

by Fisherman in

only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

“now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

Fisherman

die and resurrect himself after three days....and then did it.

Then he wasn’t dead. But he was dead and the Bible says that God resurrected Jesus from the dead. So what did Jesus mean since obviously dead killed Jesus could not resurrect himself? WT explains that Jesus was using a literary device illustrating faith, for example “ Your faith has made you well.” Poetic language illustrating Jesus’s faith.

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Jesus is Michael the Archangel

by Fisherman in

only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

“now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

Fisherman

So, again. Only Jesus has the power and authority to kick Satan out of heaven.

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Jesus is Michael the Archangel

by Fisherman in

only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

“now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

Fisherman

God does not exist.

JJ

The only thing I can say I know is a fact is that God exists. However. there are other things too I am convinced are true. But the existence of God is not a conclusion.

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Jesus is Michael the Archangel

by Fisherman in

only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

“now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

Fisherman

DJW

JW..0rg has an explanation and that is that. But Basically there are plenty of other verses showing Jesus praying and inferior to the Almighty who has never been seen, cannot be killed etc.. so I don’t want to rehash what wt has been publishing for a century.

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Jesus is Michael the Archangel

by Fisherman in

only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

“now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

Fisherman

Why doesn't the Bible just say so?

This is a recurring issue with the Bible,

I’ve made the same observation. Well thought!

For example in John 1:1: “The Word was God.” And other scriptures too, some are symbolic, Jesus coming in the clouds of heaven—which is also an allusion to the prophecy of the Messiah in Daniel which JW interpret that the return of Christ is invisible. But the Bible is left to interpretation. That’s the way the entire Bible is written-in poetic language, (even historical accounts have in addition poetic meaning for example Haagar and Sarah) except where it does define and explain meanings such as when Jesus explains who is the prophetic Elijah or clarifying the meaning of the “disgusting thing causing desolation” are the Roman Armies and then it has an additional interpretation applying to the attacker of false religion in our time.

You have to figure everything out like trying to solve a picture puzzle and crossword puzzle at the same time. And you run into major problems like with the meaning of generation which the Bible defines is 80 years the average age of a person —and then this fails when applying to Jesus’s prophecy —which leads you to doubt your other parts of the puzzle you’ve solved as certainly true. Even what happens at death and who goes to heaven are conclusions. It all makes logical sense though—JW interpretation of the Bible—to the point of being mentally and emotionally convinced to the point of dying for your beliefs such as blood and political neutrality.