Posts by Fisherman

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Fisherman

You don’t see it, Van. Nothing more I can say.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Fisherman

The sign of the parousia" is "the sign of the son of man",

Tell US when will these things be and what will be the SIGN of your Parousia.

Also:

But on the day that Lot went out of Sodʹom, it rained fire and sulfur from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 It will be the same on that day when the Son of man is REVEALED.

There is a point in time during his parousia when he is revealed to his enemies. That’s who the sign of the son of man is for.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Fisherman

In other words:

37For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be.38For as they were in those days BEFORE the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,39and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Fisherman

Entirely and unambiguously incorrect. The 'sign of the Son of man' is explicitly described as appearing only after the 'tribulation' has ended.

The sign of the parousia ironically includes the sign of the son of man seen by the enemies when it is too late.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Fisherman

after the tribulation ends, does 'Christ appear

The text describes the sign of the parousia (What will be the sign of your presence) before and after the tribulation begins. If you compare the Parousia to the fulfillment of all the signs Jesus gave the 1 century christians before the destruction of Jerusalem and the Seige of Jerusalem as the great tribulation, the sign of the parousia has many aspects such as war preaching etc—and Christians see that sign others take no note of the sign of his Parousia. When the enemies see the sign, they are caught likevthe Romans caught the Judeans,

So when it hits someone over the head, they don’t need a sign.

Convergence of many scriptures having to do with irony, poetic justice, timing, vengeance. In other words: “ I’ll show you.”

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Fisherman

No bible citations to be found there

Volumes at wt commentaries.

his 'presence' would be after the tribulation

They will see alright. They will have to see after the great tribulation like in the days of Noah and like those that rejected the many signs Jesus performed during his life. Do you think in their minds, they saw back then. They came to a realization. They were found fighters of God’s kingdom. Now they see!!

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Fisherman

Are you praying that your flight will not be in winter or on a Sabbath day?

2. Why or why not?

I am.

Are you implying that the parausia will not parallel the destruction of Jerusalem because of your method of interpretation of Bible prophecy?

First of all Jesus gave us templates on how to interpret scripture and prophecy, the same patern used by Paul also Jesus combines 70CE with the Parausia with his prophecies at the Olivette though different dates so we can conclude there are some parallels. To validate this method of dual fulfillment, Jesus likened the the days of Noah—that destruction—to his prophecy about the end so there are similarities in praying to God for salvation and keeping on the watch.

What Jesus said about Sabbath snd winter is a literary device, poetic language.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Fisherman

The fact that some things they expected to happen didn’t happen isn’t evidence that it will happen at a later time. They were just wrong.

That is a different topic. The subject matter of this thread is based on the premise that the Bible is God’s Word.

540

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Fisherman

Van you didn’t show me how v30 was fulfilled back then?

When the Apostles asked the question;

1. When will these things be? (Referring to the destruction of the Temple)

2. What will be the sign of your Parousia? (They probably figured at the same time the Temple would be destroyed)

3. The conclusion of this system of things? (They also figured it was all connected to the other questions they asked.)

There were 3 separate questions involving different time periods. How do we know that all parts of the answer have dual fulfillments?

Jesus answered their question relating to the destruction of the Temple ( which most didn’t see completely fulfilled anyway because they were killed beforehand.) But Jesus also answered their question about the parousia ( which did not happen back then) and about the conclusion of the system of things—and while is is true that the Jewish system of worship came to an end in 70, Pharisaical Judaism survived and settled in Javneh( The Talmud recounts that Rabbi Jochanan born in 30 and contemporary of Jesus escaped besieged Jerusalem in a coffin and appeared before Vespasian who gave him the city and to other Jews to settle in Javneh. So, Jews built the Rabbinical Pharisaical Judaism we see today from Javneh and the destruction of the Temple was not the conclusion of Judaism although in God’s estimate it was. So one aspect of conclusion did happen when the Temple2 was razed by the Romans but another aspect of conclusion meaning complete annihilation of bogus religion and of God’s enemies before the millennium (that the rest of the Bible alludes to) did not happen in 70. So, in his answer to the question about conclusion we at WT conclude that the sign Jesus gave to the Apostles about the destruction of Jerusalem also has a fulfillment in the last days before the millennium such ad preaching, the attack on religion etc.

But the part of the sign about parousia was not fulfilled back then for example ALL the tribes of the earth beating themselves in lamentation, not everybody lamented not even some Jews in Jerusalem who despised Jesus and built in Javneh not to mention tribes and people all over the earth who were not affected by the destruction of Jerusalem. Also, the sign of the son of man in heavens;

Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory—Can you show me from God’s Word where this happened in 70?

There was an interesting WT study several years ago which most people didn’t realize the implication. It was the one about the locust I think and it also stated that some prophecies don’t have dual fulfillments but if you read carefully the implication is that some parts of prophecy may have more than one fulfillment and other parts of the same prophecy may not. For example there are similarities in the Olivette about 70 and during the parousia but there may be differences that don’t parallel. Obviously Jesus did not return in the clouds of heaven to some people that did not die in 70 but lived to build a Rabbinical Judaism and on the other hand did return on the the clouds to some that died when the 2nd Temple was destroyed which means that that part of the prophecy was not fulfilled. So again, without wt saying anything new about the Olivette, based on the new. method of interpreting prophecy if some PARTS of the Olivette don't have dual fulfillment, it is in harmony with wt method of interpretation of prophecy.