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  How are things in bethel right now?

  by Hellothere in

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  any news how things are at bethel just now?

  been thinking, strange they have gb members giving speeches when they look so depressed.

  but maeby there is not many others too choose from.

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  It’s just a question of WHO to get rid of!

  First I qualified my commentary applying to the past.

  Also , a lot of people leave on their own and new people are invited. I can tell you that downsizing is not the reason. It can used as be a pretext. Some people don’t work out in the long run, and other complex reasons and issues— nowdays. Doesn’t matter if they get old. WT is equipped for that for that.Sadly, people are asked to leave not for downsizing reasons but because of a problem with the person. May not even be aware of it but the right people that makes decisions know what is wrong.The volunteer work people do more than pays for the living expenses paid. Money is zero reason. It always has to do with the person, always the case. Of course the pretext is downsizing and other explanations not to get people offended or hurt for being singled out.

  
  
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  How are things in bethel right now?

  by Hellothere in

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  any news how things are at bethel just now?

  been thinking, strange they have gb members giving speeches when they look so depressed.

  but maeby there is not many others too choose from.

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  those who have been asked to leave Bethel,(not because of wrongdoing)l

  There is a reason why they don’t want you. Some people stay forever but some are asked to leave. The reason may not involve “ unchristian conduct “ but it is always because of something negative about the person. Like with any job, you need to be needed somehow and you need to be tied with heavies and you need to get along with others and you need to measure up. But most important of all, you are always in danger of getting kicked out unless you are friends with those that have the power to override those that want you out. Describing how it was in the past. Nowdays, if they need you and more complex. Also, mostly, anyone easily replaced.
  
  
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  Babylon the Great

  by Godlyman in

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  do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

  inquiring minds want to know .

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  Babylon the Great is hot

  She was once. Now she is an old girl.
  
  
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  Babylon the Great

  by Godlyman in

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  do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

  inquiring minds want to know .

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  If Jerusalem did not represent the kingdom of God, why did Jesus say, "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."

  As we at JW see it, Jews were first in line to rule as king priests with Jesus. At Pentecost, the church began to be chosen by God consisting of Gentiles thus rejecting natural Israel.

  Jerusalem’s kings ended with Zedekiah circa 607 BCE, the last king of Judah. Thereafter, Jerusalem was trampled by the nations and did not rule kings. —Nor rule at all all over anybody,
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  Babylon the Great

  by Godlyman in

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  do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

  inquiring minds want to know .

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  and covetousness, which is idolatry:

  That is not the idolatry that describes Babylon the Great. Jews never practiced idolatry or spiritism again nor in the first century. Neither was Jerusalem a kingdom. It was a subjugated city paying taxes with zero influence over Rome let alone the kings of the earth. The religious leaders of Jesus’s day were not the consorts of the Romans or anybody else. Romans had their own gods. It is obvious the facts are self evident. Conclude as you wish.
  
  
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  Babylon the Great

  by Godlyman in

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  do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

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  Conclusion: Jerusalem is Revelation’s Babylon

  No, because BTH is guilty of Idolatry whereas Jerusalem learned its lesson after the Babylonian captivity and did not practice idolatry again. In Jesus’ day, Jesus foretold the destruction of Jerusalem not because it was acting like Babylon the Great as described in Revelation but because they rejected God’s son, fought against God’s Holy Spirit and had Jesus mur&erd. Also, Jerusalem did not suffer the fate of Babylon the great and the events that follow the destruction of BTG did not transpire after 70CE. In fact, the Jews reorganized in Javneh and founded Rabbinical Judaism to this day.—Besides the modern day Republic of Israel —with Jerusalem. Obviously, Babylon the Great is another entity.
  
  
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  Babylon the Great

  by Godlyman in

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  do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

  inquiring minds want to know .

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  In the Bible, the city of Jerusalem, the Jewish mother organization representing the system of worship for Israel is personified as the wife of God ( “Where is the divorce certificate if the mother of you people which I sent away. “ In the Christian Scriptures, the New Jerusalem also symbolizes the wife of Christ, the church, true religion. It would fit the bill if Babylon the great turns out to be false religion.
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  Babylon the Great

  by Godlyman in

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  do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

  inquiring minds want to know .

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  as a message written in a specific manner at a specific time and a specific place to a specific audience in response to a specific problem, but attempts to interpret it outside that context age

  The identity of the Genesis serpent for example was interpreted by John in Revelation about 1600 years later. Not to mention the identity of the disgusting thing causing desolation spoken by Daniel in the Babylonian diaspora interpreted by Jesus circa 33CE and finally realizing in the Roman armies in 70CE, and the messianic prophecies realizing in Jesus—to a different audience, etc… so your view seriously fails here.
  
  
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  Babylon the Great

  by Godlyman in

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  do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

  inquiring minds want to know .

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  One thing is certain. The Babylon the great prophecy has not been fulfilled.
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  Babylon the Great

  by Godlyman in

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  do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

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  there just wasn’t enough wiggle room

  There is. For example, a couple of years ago a new method of interpreting prophecy was explained at a wt study which established a basis for some aspects of a prophecy not to have a greater fulfillment or exact parallel while other parts do have multiple fulfillments.

  The entire Bible is decoded by JW commentary. What remains is the realization of JW eschatology.: Cry of peace and security and the end of religion. JW are not pretending or putting on a show, they are convinced.