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  How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

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  i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

  instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

  they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

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  Grammar whether Hebrew or English

  Daniel 9:2 — 2 in the first year of his reign I, Daniel, discerned by the books the number of years mentioned in the word of Jehovah to Jeremiah the prophet to fulfill the desolation of Jerusalem, namely, 70 years.
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  How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

  by EmptyInside in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

  instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

  they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

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  Franz had a talent for continuity

  Franz can add nothing more today. The device was built and the button has been pushed. This thing is bigger than Franz and everyone else put together.

  However, His method of understanding the Bible is the mental training received by JW. Although a lot of his conclusions didn’t turn out that way his method is the method . His grasp of the identity of the Gen 3:15 woman is amazing using his method.

  TD never stops to amaze me with his perception.
  

  a participant here that most of us thought very highly of.

  Who was that?

  I have quizzed autistic with savant lesser degree type memory and it is amazing.
  
  
  
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  How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

  by EmptyInside in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

  instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

  they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

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  along with the other nations round about, for 70 years.

  The subject in the Neviim was Zion. In this case Judah. The subject continues during and after the deportation. The conduct, punishment and restoration of Zion is the topic theme of the Prophets. The only conclusion as far as I read is a literal 70 year desolation applied to the Jews who broke the law covenant and were being punished with ironic justice.
  
  
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  Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

  by Fisherman in

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  jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.

  — luke 21:24 .

  the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.

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  Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24

  The Bible book of Luke records Jesus prophecy of the last day with his Parousia including the verse about the Gentile Times. Therefore, the Gentile Times end during Jesus’s Parousia.

  King Zedekiah was prophesied to be overthrown and Jerusalem would be without a king until the one having the legal right came, Jesus. The angel Gabriel told Mary that God would give Jesus the throne of David. How long would it take for the rightful king of God’s kingdom to receive the kingdom and begin ruling? Ans: Seven times will pass over you. Those 7X end during the Parousia.
  
  
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  Is it mathematically posible for Noah and his sons to have populated the earth?

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  bible says flood occurred approximately 4000 years ago.

  that is about *200 generations of breeding to get to the population on earth now.

  keep in mind that the population increase is geometric.

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  This is why they put blinkers on race horses,,,,,so they cannot perceive reality or a wider view.

  Not when you are solving for Y with given factors. Whether or not the solution is true depends upon the Bible being true.That is why I qualified the distinction between evidence and interpretation in a previous post. The Bible gives us the story of Noah as historical event, a fact. At present, the interpretation of some scientific evidence appears to challenge the Bible record. However, when interpreting the Bible, the story of Noah is factored in as given.
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  How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

  by EmptyInside in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

  instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

  they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

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  70 years in Babylon.

  God was punishing Judah for their sins same as he punished the northern kingdom. The prophets were sent to Judah with the message and restoration prophecies not to the uncircumcised nation although affected, Jerusalem was the target. I find no other way to interpret the scriptures than Judah spent 70 years in Babylon for idolatry and so the land could rest to pay back its Sabbaths. Archeology will vindicate 607.
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  Is it mathematically posible for Noah and his sons to have populated the earth?

  by Fisherman in

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  bible says flood occurred approximately 4000 years ago.

  that is about *200 generations of breeding to get to the population on earth now.

  keep in mind that the population increase is geometric.

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  The point where I begin having a problem is when a religious person casts that "rule" aside when it becomes inconvenient..

  
  

  So it seems to you, professor because our leaders are not being a “smartass” about it when they are coxing our organization. The honesty and consistency in representation and in interpretation is to God’s word even when scientific evidence points in another direction: Such as Jehovah taking credit for predatory design in Job. But is it conclusive therefore, that predation was God’s intended purpose from the beginning as you conclude? vis-à-vis “Jehovah is a manly person of war”, humans having the potential to kill and prey and destroy, the angels and Jesus’s warrior capacity. Was that Jehovah’s intended purpose from the beginning? Therefore, JW consider other variables than scientific findings as I pointed out in my previous post, without casting out the standard when it seems in the Bible that Job contradicts Eden. That is what the Bible says. JW is not the source of what the Bible says and the scriptures cannot be nullified. I kindly pointed out previously Dr., that the stories are given to us, those are all the pieces of the puzzle given to us, that’s how they fit, and that’s how we see the picture when we try to apply the rule of all scriptures is inspired— which simply means all scriptures are consistent even if they seem to contradict each other or even if they seem to contradict with science. That is what the Bible claims and that is the standard JW consistently try to apply the best they can.

  
  

  JW literature in often wrong on matters of basic science.

  
  

  Seemingly. The WT article you quote goes against science. In this case, all bets are off when WT tries to scientifically explain the miraculous conception of Jesus, God providing the promised seed with its genetics.

  
  

  Take for example evidence presented at trial. Some evidence is not that heavy. And right or wrong does not affect the substance of the weightier evidence.

  
  

  
  

  
  
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  Is it mathematically posible for Noah and his sons to have populated the earth?

  by Fisherman in

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  2. beliefs

  bible says flood occurred approximately 4000 years ago.

  that is about *200 generations of breeding to get to the population on earth now.

  keep in mind that the population increase is geometric.

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  Any way I can get more info about that? Is he still a JW?

  Hi Magnum, I sincerely enjoy your sincere posts.

  JW obviously know the scientific evidence without a pet doc pointing it out. I also think I’ve answered your question in my posts.

  Many decades ago, a very young man speaking with a JW scientist who was also in the WT writing team also said ( the scientist) that the wolf and lamb prophecy and predators eating straw is symbolic referring to personalities and spoke about livestock and eating steak in Paradise— I vividly remember. He also had the same delightful style as TD. The point is that JW don’t know besides interpreting what the Bible says. From a human felt interpretation the Almighty how could it be paradise with living creatures attacking other living creatures feeling pain and suffering and crying out to God with more trees than stars in the milkyway that csn produce food?
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  Is it mathematically posible for Noah and his sons to have populated the earth?

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  bible says flood occurred approximately 4000 years ago.

  that is about *200 generations of breeding to get to the population on earth now.

  keep in mind that the population increase is geometric.

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  TD, I’ve kindly explained the parameters JW use that apply to leadership, policy and commentary. Take for example Luke, he is credited with writing a gospel and Acts. Because the Bible says that God entrusted his written word to the Jews, JW commentators don’t ignore Colossians but conclude anyway that Luke was a Jew, so when prey pray, crying out to God for food or for salvation from a predator, does the One opening his hand and satisfying the desire of every thing listen in future paradise or to be eaten alive while everybody else is enjoying Utopia? Therefore, when the Bible says that during Eden, animals ate vegetation juxtaposition a lion built for the kill as you have shown, how should JW thinkers like me and writers of JW literature interpret the Bible? That it is inconsistent? Jesus’s Parousia depends on the flood of Noah: “So the presence of the son of man will be.”—No flood, no presence. Since Jesus’s Parousia began in 1914 to JW, the Noah’s story is also consistent with with JW teaching in JW commentary as JW interpret the Bible in-spite of scientific presents that challenge the Bible at present. As I posted earlier, ultimately but not at this time, the Bible will either be vindicated or scientifically debunked. In the meantime, the story of Noah is arguably true within the realm of science.
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  Is it mathematically posible for Noah and his sons to have populated the earth?

  by Fisherman in

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  2. beliefs

  bible says flood occurred approximately 4000 years ago.

  that is about *200 generations of breeding to get to the population on earth now.

  keep in mind that the population increase is geometric.

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  Dr. TD,

  Thank you for your elegant and informative inked commentary.

  it is a complete repudiation of the argument of intelligent design

  We have scientists that understand this, and so do our commentators who interpret what the Bible means and their role is not defense lawyer, they personally have to be convinced—like me. In my previous post I highlighted (and it is axiomatic professor, that you understand this) a distinction between what the Bible says and interpretation of the evidence. Our position as JW is that we consider the Bible inspired and infallible, the word of God: 2 Peter 1:20,21. That is our premise, that is our evidence, that is our rule and method and approach when we interpret the Bible —2Timothy 3:16. ( For example, if you carefully notice the wording in the Insight Book article commenting on the story of Noah, it doesn’t try to refute the science that challenges the story, basically it says that the Bible claims to be inspired and that is what the Bible says in the story of Noah. JW are not making that claim, the Bible is and JW did not write the story of Noah, it is given to us and validated by the prophet Isaiah, Jesus and the writings of the Apostles, all having their credentials validated with empirical evidence from God recorded in the Bible. JW method uses the rule that the information in the Bible is true so it doesn’t try to contradict what the Bible says although what the Bible means might be subjective. The story of Noah is not allegorical according to the Bible, it is historical. But you remarkably showed in your well written linked article professor that the biology and physiology of the eating and digestive mechanisms of animals could only have been designed for that special purpose vis-à-vis the Word of God that says all animals ate vegetation prior to the flood. How would you interpret that with the given parameters, though?

  It is mathematically possible that Noah and his sons populated the earth. TD showed that it is not genetically possible given today’s genetics were the same at the time of the flood. But how do we know they were? I am not refuting the genetic evidence. I believe the Noah story because God’s Word says it happened. It does not say it was allegorical. However, I take note of the challenging evidence. All bets are on.