Posts by Fisherman

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Basic Blood Questions For Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

basic blood questions for jehovah's witnesses.

where does the bible outlaw blood transfusions?

(acts 15:29 gen.9:4) .

Fisherman

the teaching is an interpretation.

How many people read the ancient languages of the Bible and understand its poetic wording and the meaning behind it. Everything in the Bible is translation and interpretation not only the JW BT teachings. But JW claim that they are guided by God ( so do all religions but that is not the issue here) in the spiritual food ( teachings ) JW provide. If you don’t believe that, you are not JW. What TD is saying is that God is not behind the BT teaching but it is only human belief subject to error. Obviously, God punishes such presumptuousness but we haven't seen that. What a JW considers is God does not want humans to consume blood. That is what JW believe.

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

Fisherman

Tell me you prefer doctrinal bias over accuracy without telling me you prefer doctrinal bias over accuracy. 😂

Besides cut and paste, unlike TD, you’ve never translated anything it seems.

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Basic Blood Questions For Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

basic blood questions for jehovah's witnesses.

where does the bible outlaw blood transfusions?

(acts 15:29 gen.9:4) .

Fisherman

I think that TD has so elegantly appealing to logic and reason argued the point that life is more sacred than the blood that represents it. I’ve never heard a more persuasive argument and complete coverage refuting Bible interpretation that bt are prohibited by the decree. cofty’s attempt to raise reasonable doubt is also noted. but the scripture in the decree cannot be nullified and I don’t see a way around it without violating the scripture. Putting a gallon of blood into your body and saying you are not eating it and therefore doesn’t violate the decree is not how JW decision makers see it.

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

Fisherman

You are attempting to make an equivalence between "70 years" and "desolation"

That’s how we see it. The Bible text integrates the 70 years with the desolation, 70 CE as a striking reminder pointed to Jerusalem. Have fun with your belief. I don’t buy yours.

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

Fisherman

This is in no way requires an equivalence of desolation to 70 years.

According to you. But the Bible says 70.

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

Fisherman

They put Russel on trial for not being a scholar. I read the transcript of Court record of his cross examination. I think your doctorate is in theology.

I don’t think the Bible can be translated using strict rules of grammar alone. I think that the translator has a belief to begin with and the grammar conforms to that belief when interpreting and translating to another language. His belief is the rule or the guide and not the grammar. It just so happened that the beliefs of the JW founders were in phase with the grammar.

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

Fisherman

establishing that God even exists

You got it all wrong. That’s what the Bible is all about: “They will have to know that I am Jehovah.” And that is what Christianity is about: “They will see, the Son of Man.” “Every eye will see him.” and the vindication of his church. That is miraculous proof from God which man cannot provide. Not like the miracles recorded in the Bible as evidence that Jesus was the Messiah —-which the Jewish nation rejected. But the sort of evidence that the Bible refers to as:
“in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance on those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus.” —But that is not what this Forum is about. I am only replying to your question from the Bible. The proof that you seek cannot be provided by me.

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

Fisherman

So, what you’re saying is, the Bible is essentially a useless ‘choose your own adventure’.

Not at all. You were told by “God’s organization” what the Bible means. You reject it and have your own views instead that you believe are true. If God is not a variable in the Bible, then the Bible is only literature. If God is not behind “God’s organization” then their interpretations and direction is not important—which is what this forum is about. But getting back to my post, given your stated position that the Bible is not God’s word and looking at the information in discussion prima facie, what I said applies.

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

Fisherman

isn’t “the word spoken by Jeremiah” at all,

Sure it is. That is what the verse says. Jeremiah was applying God’s word in Leviticus and the irony of the curse for breaking the covenant .Before Judah’s 70 year desolation in Bavel, Zedekiah had proclaimed a Jubilee for the land and Jehovah turned back until Zedekiah backslided then the deportation.

Any written statement such as laws or Scripture can be interpreted more than one way. You have you view. Good luck.

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

Fisherman

2 Chronicles 36:20,21 — 20 He carried off captive to Babylon those who escaped the sword, and they became servants to him and his sons until the kingdom of Persia began to reign, 21 to fulfill Jehovah’s word spoken by Jeremiah, until the land had paid off its sabbaths. All the days it lay desolate it kept sabbath, to fulfill 70 years.

It is not that complicated.