Posts by Fisherman

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Did Jesus COME with the clouds of heaven in 1914?

by Fisherman in

take for example revelation 21: 10. .

“….and he showed me the holy city jerusalem coming down out of heaven from god.

here john sees something happening, action.

Fisherman

diamond in the back. Tv antennas in the back.

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

Fisherman

DD,

Change indicates appeasement. A never ending supply of anointed to take the role of GB is interesting in the minds of older JW.

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

Fisherman

I've simply pointed out that we're all bound by the same rules and conventions regardless of whether we believe the bible is the inspired word of God or just an interesting piece of literature.

It is not that simple.

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

Fisherman

the rigid grammar makes for a very precise language, provided one follows it.

Your commentary is in Greek which the public doesn’t understand. The implication that WT strays from the grammar is arguable and not understood by the public. Using Greek grammar, translators have molded Jesus into God which is axiomatically not true whether or not the translator construes so using rigid Greek grammar. And that is what wt meant by the wt commentary you reference. Also, there is no fear that wt translation of the Bible is grammatically out of phase as you imply. Compared to other translations wt is in phase with the rigid base text except when wt interprets what the writer means or the overall teaching of the Bible ( keeping it simple. ) I respectfully understand your qualifications, Dr. I don’t think you are cut and pasting the conclusions of others about WT. Also, any mismatch is not significant overall. WT representation of Greek in the NWT is in phase with the base text and valid. But what do I know. That is only my humble belief.

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Basic Blood Questions For Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

basic blood questions for jehovah's witnesses.

where does the bible outlaw blood transfusions?

(acts 15:29 gen.9:4) .

Fisherman

the teaching is an interpretation.

How many people read the ancient languages of the Bible and understand its poetic wording and the meaning behind it. Everything in the Bible is translation and interpretation not only the JW BT teachings. But JW claim that they are guided by God ( so do all religions but that is not the issue here) in the spiritual food ( teachings ) JW provide. If you don’t believe that, you are not JW. What TD is saying is that God is not behind the BT teaching but it is only human belief subject to error. Obviously, God punishes such presumptuousness but we haven't seen that. What a JW considers is God does not want humans to consume blood. That is what JW believe.

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

Fisherman

Tell me you prefer doctrinal bias over accuracy without telling me you prefer doctrinal bias over accuracy. 😂

Besides cut and paste, unlike TD, you’ve never translated anything it seems.

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Basic Blood Questions For Witnesses

by Vanderhoven7 in

basic blood questions for jehovah's witnesses.

where does the bible outlaw blood transfusions?

(acts 15:29 gen.9:4) .

Fisherman

I think that TD has so elegantly appealing to logic and reason argued the point that life is more sacred than the blood that represents it. I’ve never heard a more persuasive argument and complete coverage refuting Bible interpretation that bt are prohibited by the decree. cofty’s attempt to raise reasonable doubt is also noted. but the scripture in the decree cannot be nullified and I don’t see a way around it without violating the scripture. Putting a gallon of blood into your body and saying you are not eating it and therefore doesn’t violate the decree is not how JW decision makers see it.

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

Fisherman

You are attempting to make an equivalence between "70 years" and "desolation"

That’s how we see it. The Bible text integrates the 70 years with the desolation, 70 CE as a striking reminder pointed to Jerusalem. Have fun with your belief. I don’t buy yours.

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

Fisherman

This is in no way requires an equivalence of desolation to 70 years.

According to you. But the Bible says 70.

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How Will They End 1914 Teaching?

by EmptyInside in

i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.

instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .

they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .

Fisherman

They put Russel on trial for not being a scholar. I read the transcript of Court record of his cross examination. I think your doctorate is in theology.

I don’t think the Bible can be translated using strict rules of grammar alone. I think that the translator has a belief to begin with and the grammar conforms to that belief when interpreting and translating to another language. His belief is the rule or the guide and not the grammar. It just so happened that the beliefs of the JW founders were in phase with the grammar.