Posts by Fisherman

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Nisan 14 or not?

by LostintheFog1999 in

if jesus memorial meal is meant to follow on from the jewish passover celebration, would someone explain to me why the jehovah's witness community are holding their "lord's evening meal" on tuesday 4th april; when the jewish community are not holding their 2023 passover until the 5th april 2023?

doesn't this mean that the jehovahs have got their date wrong?.

https://www.londonworld.com/read-this/passover-2023-what-is-passover-dates-and-greetings-4091833.

Fisherman

“That meal ( Last Supper) took place late on Thursday evening, March 31, 33 C.E. Jesus died on a torture stake on Friday afternoon, April 1.” WT 4/15/04

Obviously the Last Supper was not on “Good Friday” evening cuz JC was dead. A little thinking is involved just a tiny bit.

For those who do not like to think:

https://www.hebcal.com/converter?gd=1&gm=4&gy=0033&g2h=1you

no Rabbi, Pharisee or Sadducee would be caught dead ‘working’ on convicting Jesus on those days, no mob would have formed.

LOL. horsefeathers and drivel. I’ve personally witnessed ( with others!) a mob of orthodox jews beat a man on the ground senseless on the Sabbath.

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Dalai Lama asking boy to suck his tongue after kissing the child on his lips.

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

the dalai lama has apologised after footage showed him asking a boy if he wanted to suck the tibetan spiritual leader's tongue.. .

his office said he wanted to apologise to the child and his family "for the hurt his words may have caused".. .

the video also shows the dalai lama kissing the child on his lips.. soon after the pope alleged peodo activity .

Fisherman

obviously blessing this child..

Thank you DD. I didn’t know. An example of misrepresentation. That puts a different spin on the incident. Don’t subscribe to such craziness but no malicious intent. It just seemed unthinkable that such an act could be normal church practice.

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Nisan 14 or not?

by LostintheFog1999 in

if jesus memorial meal is meant to follow on from the jewish passover celebration, would someone explain to me why the jehovah's witness community are holding their "lord's evening meal" on tuesday 4th april; when the jewish community are not holding their 2023 passover until the 5th april 2023?

doesn't this mean that the jehovahs have got their date wrong?.

https://www.londonworld.com/read-this/passover-2023-what-is-passover-dates-and-greetings-4091833.

Fisherman

TD,

What I conclude( and I could be wrong) when reading wt literature compared to Nu 33:3 is that the Jews began to leave Egypt on Passover day Nisan 14 —that’s why it’s called Passover—but they left in stages as verses 1-5 show. Although they departed from Ramses on Nisan 15 later on, the Passover already began on Passover day after Passover (the meal on the evening prior). WT commentary also notes that there is dispute between Jewish groups such as Caraites and Rabbinical and the Samaritans whether or not Passover meal is on the beginning or end of Nisan 14 and cites Ibn Ezra supporting Nisan 14 beginning. But the fact that Jesus celebrated the passover at the beginning of the day of Nisan 14 validates to JW that it is not on Nisan 14 end with Nisan 15 the following daylight morning as you imply is when the Exodus began.

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Nisan 14 or not?

by LostintheFog1999 in

if jesus memorial meal is meant to follow on from the jewish passover celebration, would someone explain to me why the jehovah's witness community are holding their "lord's evening meal" on tuesday 4th april; when the jewish community are not holding their 2023 passover until the 5th april 2023?

doesn't this mean that the jehovahs have got their date wrong?.

https://www.londonworld.com/read-this/passover-2023-what-is-passover-dates-and-greetings-4091833.

Fisherman

Numbers 33:1-5

“But Rameses may here refer to a district, and it may be that the Israelites pulled away from all parts of the district, converging on Succoth as the place of rendezvous. Numbers 33:3-5”

“This would allow for Moses to have been at Pharaoh’s palace on the night of the tenth plague and, before the next day’s end, to begin leading the people of Israel on their march out of Egypt.” Insight Book p723 Volume 2

According to WT literature, again TD, Passover meal is on Nisan 13 sundown when Nisan14 begins and not Nisan 14 sundown when Passover day ends. Therefore, Nisan 13 evening was the day of the last supper on Thursday evening (but in the Jewish calendar it was Friday Nisan 14 “AM” the beginning of Passover day) The last supper couldn’t be on Friday night because Jesus was killed on Friday Nisan 14 33CE around 3PM, the day of Preparation for the Sabbath which was on Nisan 15. So, the evidence points to Jews-at least Jesus and his Apostles-celebrating the passover back in 33 same day JW do nowadays before Rabbinical Javneh post 2nd Temple Rabbinical Judaism “saved from the coffin.” —Anyway, that’s JW“stride” at this time as I read the literature.

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Dalai Lama asking boy to suck his tongue after kissing the child on his lips.

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

the dalai lama has apologised after footage showed him asking a boy if he wanted to suck the tibetan spiritual leader's tongue.. .

his office said he wanted to apologise to the child and his family "for the hurt his words may have caused".. .

the video also shows the dalai lama kissing the child on his lips.. soon after the pope alleged peodo activity .

Fisherman

It is safer to dance with the devil.

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Nisan 14 or not?

by LostintheFog1999 in

if jesus memorial meal is meant to follow on from the jewish passover celebration, would someone explain to me why the jehovah's witness community are holding their "lord's evening meal" on tuesday 4th april; when the jewish community are not holding their 2023 passover until the 5th april 2023?

doesn't this mean that the jehovahs have got their date wrong?.

https://www.londonworld.com/read-this/passover-2023-what-is-passover-dates-and-greetings-4091833.

Fisherman

daylight period of the 15th mentioned at Numbers 33:3

As JW see it, daylight and day are 2 different things since day begins at sundown when it is dark and the next day begins, so the day of Nisan 14 begins at sundown Nisan 13. Therefore, Numbers 33:3 does not refer to the following morning daylight after Passover(as JW believe). Im sure you understand JW reasons although you disagree.

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Nisan 14 or not?

by LostintheFog1999 in

if jesus memorial meal is meant to follow on from the jewish passover celebration, would someone explain to me why the jehovah's witness community are holding their "lord's evening meal" on tuesday 4th april; when the jewish community are not holding their 2023 passover until the 5th april 2023?

doesn't this mean that the jehovahs have got their date wrong?.

https://www.londonworld.com/read-this/passover-2023-what-is-passover-dates-and-greetings-4091833.

Fisherman

...and that quote is directly contradicted by Numbers 33:3

How?

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England: Failure to Report Child Abuse to be Illegal

by notsurewheretogo in

people who work with children in england will be legally required to report child sexual abuse or face prosecution under government plans.. .

the move - which is subject to a consultation - was recommended last year by the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse (iicsa).. .

the home secretary told the bbc she wanted to correct one of the "biggest national scandals".. .

Fisherman

Are you deliberately being obtuse?

What do you mean, mate?

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Nisan 14 or not?

by LostintheFog1999 in

if jesus memorial meal is meant to follow on from the jewish passover celebration, would someone explain to me why the jehovah's witness community are holding their "lord's evening meal" on tuesday 4th april; when the jewish community are not holding their 2023 passover until the 5th april 2023?

doesn't this mean that the jehovahs have got their date wrong?.

https://www.londonworld.com/read-this/passover-2023-what-is-passover-dates-and-greetings-4091833.

Fisherman

Numbers 33:3 very plainly states that the next daylight period after Passover was the 15th, not the 14th, so the JW's are a full 24 hours early in their observance.

Insight Book Volume 2 Page 580, par 3

“Since the Jews reckoned the day as starting after sundown and ending the next day at sundown, Nisan 14 would begin after sundown. It would be in the evening after Nisan 13 concluded that the Passover would be observed. Since the Bible definitely states that Christ is the Passover sacrifice (1Co 5:7) and that he observed the Passover meal the evening before he was put to death, the date of his death would be Nisan 14, not Nisan 15…”

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England: Failure to Report Child Abuse to be Illegal

by notsurewheretogo in

people who work with children in england will be legally required to report child sexual abuse or face prosecution under government plans.. .

the move - which is subject to a consultation - was recommended last year by the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse (iicsa).. .

the home secretary told the bbc she wanted to correct one of the "biggest national scandals".. .

Fisherman

When you learn to read Carla, I’ve posted that I understand your feelings. Obviously you’ve reported your concerns to the authorities to your frustration and have gotten nowhere. It is a criminal matter. You know about it and others too. But you only hate the wt and I didn’t challenge your reasons but you’ve said nothing about the secular authorities not holding the person in your cong accountable. What hypocrisy on your part. Obviously if the person was guilty as you assert, they would have prosecuted him, no? But that ain’t the case. So, if that is not the case, be fair with your anger and making false accusations and defamatory remarks. So much for the weight of what you say.