i've never been a witness so i never left.
graeme hammond writes:.
for some years i’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: i was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, i felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and i was drained by their demands on my time.
That however is not what Jesus said. Matt 12:50" For WHOEVER does the will of my Father who is in heaven, that one is my brother and sister and mother
You are going off into a tangent. Interpret the Bible as you wish. My point to Van is: That is how JW interpret the Bible.
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
understand that you need to be able to discredit VAT 4956 because it contradicts your religious superstitions.
You are deluded. Again, all I am asking is for evidence. I will form my own opinions without your rhetoric.
An argument that the Bible is the word of God is found in wt publications and you know where to find it if you like. And if God exists empirical evidence aka convincing evidence or proof aka miracle or as you label it magic can only come directly from God. It is a personal conclusion like those on 1CE that concluded Jesus was the Messiah. Many did not believe. But let’s stick to vat 4956 which is very interesting and the subject matter here. You’ve highlighted some very interesting points such as June 29 year after year. Can you explain in detail the significance of the solstice affecting the lunar eclipse. You should go into detail explaining why the sky was -568 instead of attacking scholar and other posters. The wt 2011 article goes into the moon lining up with -588 (and not with -568) substantiating -607. Also, the insertion of the month by greedy politicians as highlighted by scholar is plausible. That is the subject here: 568 vs 588.
i've never been a witness so i never left.
graeme hammond writes:.
for some years i’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: i was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, i felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and i was drained by their demands on my time.
Hi Van,
So on what bases would your organization conclude that they could not know and love God and His Son?
Again like I said before, on the basis that that’s how JW interpret the Bible. For example JW profess to be Christ brothers:
“Lord when did we see you naked and hungry… the least of my brothers.. you did it to me.”
Also, as you are very well aware, as JW interpret the Bible non JW are not Christians. You have the JW argument s posted on the JW website.
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
Experts widely recognise the content of VAT 4956 to be genuine. It is generally considered to be a Seleucid era copy of a neo-Babylonian original.
(Everything else you posted is fallacy)
Kindly post evidence showing how experts conclude 4956 is authentic and keep your rhetoric and remarks to yourself. Experts also believe Jerusalem fell circa -586 but that is a conclusion, interpretation like -607. So again, I am looking for evidence that substantiates the authenticity of the related VAT. I assume it is authentic but what do I know. Maybe it is not. Thus far the analysis is based on the authenticity of the vat without going into irrelevant tangents that it ain’t—like you do when yiu don’t like something.
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
I would like to see evidence that vat 4956 is authentic or “inspired”.
this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.
this is not a joke.
anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!
Absolutely, there’s no way AMIII went for age or health reasons. The JWs parroting that line know it’s not true themselves, on some level. It’s more like a party line than a plausible explanation.
PTSS from the army would make the man nowdays mentally and emotionally unfit to serve. However,. that would be the mitigation behind undisclosed improper or wrong conduct or attitude it seems. The straw that broke the camel’s back will never be disclosed unless people know about it and it leaks out,
i've never been a witness so i never left.
graeme hammond writes:.
for some years i’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: i was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, i felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and i was drained by their demands on my time.
Tell me what biblical commands do they not obey?
Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah, 30 and you must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’ 31 The second is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these—Mark12:29
So called christians worship Jesus, believe in the trinity, hell..Don’t worship God in Spirit and truth.
Fight in wars against fellow christians of their own church , There is even Christianity that practice 1Cor6:9,10. Believe what you like and do what you like. You’ve been around JW long enough Van to know JW theology
i've never been a witness so i never left.
graeme hammond writes:.
for some years i’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: i was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, i felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and i was drained by their demands on my time.
Are there not Christians in the world other than those affiliated with your organization that obey God's commands?
Not as JW understand the Bible:” One faith, one Lord, one Baptism”—doesn’t allow for other religions. Beating a dead horse here. We will see how it all ends.
i've never been a witness so i never left.
graeme hammond writes:.
for some years i’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: i was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, i felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and i was drained by their demands on my time.
Van, God is the ultimate judge. WT claims to be God’s agency on earth. The individual needs to come to his personal conclusion. Compared to 1 century Jews concluding that JC was the Messiah and they should listen to him. Believe what you like but a lot of Jews that believed they loved God reciting the Shemah about loving God by being at Jerusalem on Passover 70 instead on listening to Jesus’s instructions—perished.
”For this is what the love of God means, that you observe his commandment.”
i've never been a witness so i never left.
graeme hammond writes:.
for some years i’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: i was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, i felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and i was drained by their demands on my time.
Actually, she did not pretend anything. She knew where the quote came from. That's why she pressed her buzzer. She temporarily struggled for the name of the book itself. Watch it again.
Maybe, Maybe not. I qualified my comment by saying “if” she planned it. I remember all those bogus tv evangelist and their later exposed fraud, crying and everything so it is possible. Don’t confuse judging a person’s motive with with interpreting a video show.
