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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

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  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Fisherman

  • An eclipse that is explicitly 6 days after the solstice cannot occur on 15 July, for the same reason that the solstice cannot occur on 9 July.

  Why is that?
  
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Fisherman

  Not the question I ask. I am asking for the benefit of everyone following your debate with scholar in simple terms why was it physically impossible for the lunar eclipse to have occurred as wt sees it. Your explanation.
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Fisherman

  Jeffro although obvious to you and to others. A lot of people can’t grasp why it is physically impossible.

  This is a very very interesting point. You should explain
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  Why did you leave the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  i've never been a witness so i never left.

  graeme hammond writes:.

  for some years i’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: i was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, i felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and i was drained by their demands on my time.

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  Fisherman

  my point was JW interpret the Bible to suit their agenda

  Believe as you wish. Commentary on the Scripture you cited can be found in the JW library also explaining the difference with brothers during the separation of sheep and goats.
  
  
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Fisherman

  Jeffro you failed to provide evidence authenticating the related vat.

  Stop requesting (demanding) information that has already been clearly provided.

  Neither requesting nor demanding. Explain why. Not challenging you on this.
  
  
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  Why did you leave the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've never been a witness so i never left.

  graeme hammond writes:.

  for some years i’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: i was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, i felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and i was drained by their demands on my time.

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  Fisherman

  That however is not what Jesus said. Matt 12:50" For WHOEVER does the will of my Father who is in heaven, that one is my brother and sister and mother

  You are going off into a tangent. Interpret the Bible as you wish. My point to Van is: That is how JW interpret the Bible.
  
  
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Fisherman

  understand that you need to be able to discredit VAT 4956 because it contradicts your religious superstitions.

  You are deluded. Again, all I am asking is for evidence. I will form my own opinions without your rhetoric.

  An argument that the Bible is the word of God is found in wt publications and you know where to find it if you like. And if God exists empirical evidence aka convincing evidence or proof aka miracle or as you label it magic can only come directly from God. It is a personal conclusion like those on 1CE that concluded Jesus was the Messiah. Many did not believe. But let’s stick to vat 4956 which is very interesting and the subject matter here. You’ve highlighted some very interesting points such as June 29 year after year. Can you explain in detail the significance of the solstice affecting the lunar eclipse. You should go into detail explaining why the sky was -568 instead of attacking scholar and other posters. The wt 2011 article goes into the moon lining up with -588 (and not with -568) substantiating -607. Also, the insertion of the month by greedy politicians as highlighted by scholar is plausible. That is the subject here: 568 vs 588.
  
  
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  Why did you leave the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've never been a witness so i never left.

  graeme hammond writes:.

  for some years i’d had a growing irritation and disillusionment with the religion: i was getting tired of the pompousness, the arrogance and the control, i felt increasingly choked by their restrictions and i was drained by their demands on my time.

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  Fisherman

  Hi Van,

  So on what bases would your organization conclude that they could not know and love God and His Son?

  Again like I said before, on the basis that that’s how JW interpret the Bible. For example JW profess to be Christ brothers:

  “Lord when did we see you naked and hungry… the least of my brothers.. you did it to me.”

  Also, as you are very well aware, as JW interpret the Bible non JW are not Christians. You have the JW argument s posted on the JW website.
  
  
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Fisherman

  Experts widely recognise the content of VAT 4956 to be genuine. It is generally considered to be a Seleucid era copy of a neo-Babylonian original.

  (Everything else you posted is fallacy)

  Kindly post evidence showing how experts conclude 4956 is authentic and keep your rhetoric and remarks to yourself. Experts also believe Jerusalem fell circa -586 but that is a conclusion, interpretation like -607. So again, I am looking for evidence that substantiates the authenticity of the related VAT. I assume it is authentic but what do I know. Maybe it is not. Thus far the analysis is based on the authenticity of the vat without going into irrelevant tangents that it ain’t—like you do when yiu don’t like something.
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Fisherman

  I would like to see evidence that vat 4956 is authentic or “inspired”.