Posts by Fisherman

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Fisherman

neither ‘scholar’ nor Fisherman have provided any justification whatsoever for the several ways that JW interpretations about the ‘appointed times of the nations’ and related concepts deviate from what the Bible actually says.

Sure the scholar has only no amount of miracle or proof or reason would convince you. You reject it. You don’t want it. Like a defense attorney fighting for his client’s freedom at a trial, he wants to win and he doesn’t decide what if the burden of prop was met.

I remember the time, according to the Bible, that Jesus performed miracles. Ergo...

Ergo error in logic, Jesus’s miracles were from God. “But if it is with God’s finger..” The purpose of Jesus’s miracles were to prove his credentials.

Like with Moses: “ I have made you God to Pharoh” God was the source of the miracles.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Fisherman

I think I see why you don’t very often try to construct logical syllogisms. 🤦‍♂️ Your first premise is rejected as unfalsifiable, and your argument is circular because your first premise assumes your conclusion. As to your second premise, it is invalidated by the fact that you attempted a logical proof, which if based on a properly formed syllogism with accepted premises would be proof without empirical evidence. Additionally, the part of your claim that only god can produce a miracle is not supported by your premises. Logically, your argument is rejected. Do try something convincing next time.

Horsefeathers. Your logic is based on a false premise that God does not exist.

Also. to those that conclude that God does not exist. How can you know for a fact that he doesn’t? It is only a belief that he doesn’t. If is plausible that he does. But how could you know something is fact? Not by hearing testimony but only by taking a measurement. You would need to experience God physically and not by logic. The reality of God does not depend on proof. Any evidence natural or supernatural can be rejected like assuming the parting of the Red sea or resurrection of someone from the cemetery . Bible says “they will have to know that I am YHWH” means that people will be compelled to accept the evidence: proof from God in such a way that s person is forced to see and realize and know for a fact that it is coming from God. Only God could fo that.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Fisherman

Fallacy: begging the question.

God is supernatural and outside the universe not physical. Proof is something empirical. Therefore only God can produce a miracle and God cannot be proven by science or by a person.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Fisherman

The sort of convincing evidence that you seek can only come directly from God.

But no guarantee what you would conclude from such evidence.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Fisherman

There's no evidence Jesus ever 'fulfilled' any 'prophecies'.

Yes there is.

If you think anyone's 'jealous', you really are delusional.

Doesn’t apply to you being a secular analyst

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Fisherman

the sounding of those seven trumpets got underway from 1922 with the Cedar Point, Ohio convention continuing on until 1928 with the Convention in Detroit,

To the sad jealousy of others, the JW are fulfilling Bible prophecy. Take for example “How else will the scriptures be fulfilled when Jesus deliberately fulfilled prophecy.” Oh, the remarkable grasp and understanding of scripture by JW!

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Colossian 1:16 - "all OTHER things"

by aqwsed12345 in

due to their apparent theological bias, the watchtower shamelessly inserts the word "other" in order to "make room" for their own idea that jesus is also a created being.

it is clear that jehovah's witnesses try to avoid having to admit that christ created everything because "the one who constructed all things is god" (hebrews 3:4).

instead, the society teaches that "christ was the only one created by god," and that then he "created everything else with jehovah.

Fisherman

SBF, I sincerely enjoy your posts. You are one of the greatest posters here.,

John 1:1 refers to Jesus as God/ god but not in the Rabbinical “shituf” ( partner) sense or as having the title God. In the Bible only Jehovah is the true God or the God or simply God. The JW Bible explains the verse with another verse: “Although he existed in God’s form.” The misunderstanding that JC is God lies with with western concept of God —is always One Almighty God and the English language. Therefore the non sequitur conclusion is a trinity or that Jesus is Jehovah ignoring everything else the Bible says.

” All authority has been GIVEN to me.”Jesus is now God by proxy. He has power of attorney. In the beginning Jesus was God but not by proxy. He was God in form. He had less power and authority than he does now sll tgecwhile being God back then.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Fisherman

AM

Fisherman doesn’t want to get into a 607 debate

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Fisherman

It can be concluded that minimum, 607 is arguable. There is zero proof showing that falsifies 607.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Fisherman

you have been conditioned to only form your beliefs based on what the Watch Tower Society says.

No I haven’t. They’ve been freeing scores of people out jail convicted with evidence. Besides, your logic is colored (against wt.) Mine isn’t. Im here. I remember back in the 70’s a new your times article exposing scientific fraud: fake fossils. Also, you confuse evidence with interpretation. For example 586 587 588 is derived not proven with direct evidence such as 539 the fall of Bavel is a historical fact. Show evidence not conclusions from the evidence. There is no evidence that I’ve seen that proves the date of Jerusalem destruction only interpretation and extrapolation and arguments and explanations.

Name dropping some other works doesn’t change that

Not name dropping. I’ve studied. And I concur with WT. And it does change that because it proves I’ve studied other schools of thought.

You have thoroughly demonstrated that you reject factual material that isn’t consistent with JW dogma.

No I havent.

You’ve hijacked this thread as usual you go off into tangents. Why can’t you show the info I requested in the other thread.

Also, what I conclude is immaterial to the weight of any evidence.

I am interested in evidence which is verifiable: Such as the common denominator for Nebu’s 18th and 37th year. I an not interested is responding to your views about me anymore. Believe what you like. Evidence I am interested in seeing. You are dismissed.