for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
But you still accept irrational nonsense (see also ‘sunk cost fallacy’ and ‘appeal to emotion’). That’s worse than believing nonsense simply due to being uninformed.
And you can believe that if that’s what you like to choose. But scholar has shown that it is reasonable to conclude that based on solid -539 and 70 year desolation based on JW valid Bible interpretation is is not nonsense because you don’t like JW. You say it is nonsense but it makes sense and prophetic sense also.
scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.
do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?
if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?
Do you believe Adam and Eve were real people ?
Jesus refers to them as real: “ Male and female he created them.” So does the rest of the Bible refers to them as historical and not allegory.
scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.
do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?
if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?
Jeffro cites logical fallacies then misapplies them to my argument.
How do you know for a fact that there aren’t invisible goblins that want your socks.
The comparison is not congruent and neither does does the nonexistence of goblins prove that God cannot exist.
scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.
do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?
if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?
neither ‘scholar’ nor Fisherman have provided any justification whatsoever for the several ways that JW interpretations about the ‘appointed times of the nations’ and related concepts deviate from what the Bible actually says.
Sure the scholar has only no amount of miracle or proof or reason would convince you. You reject it. You don’t want it. Like a defense attorney fighting for his client’s freedom at a trial, he wants to win and he doesn’t decide what if the burden of prop was met.
I remember the time, according to the Bible, that Jesus performed miracles. Ergo...
Ergo error in logic, Jesus’s miracles were from God. “But if it is with God’s finger..” The purpose of Jesus’s miracles were to prove his credentials.
Like with Moses: “ I have made you God to Pharoh” God was the source of the miracles.
scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.
do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?
if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?
I think I see why you don’t very often try to construct logical syllogisms. 🤦♂️ Your first premise is rejected as unfalsifiable, and your argument is circular because your first premise assumes your conclusion. As to your second premise, it is invalidated by the fact that you attempted a logical proof, which if based on a properly formed syllogism with accepted premises would be proof without empirical evidence. Additionally, the part of your claim that only god can produce a miracle is not supported by your premises. Logically, your argument is rejected. Do try something convincing next time.
scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.
do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?
if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?
Fallacy: begging the question.
God is supernatural and outside the universe not physical. Proof is something empirical. Therefore only God can produce a miracle and God cannot be proven by science or by a person.
scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.
do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?
if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?
The sort of convincing evidence that you seek can only come directly from God.
But no guarantee what you would conclude from such evidence.
scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.
do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?
if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?
There's no evidence Jesus ever 'fulfilled' any 'prophecies'.
Yes there is.
If you think anyone's 'jealous', you really are delusional.
Doesn’t apply to you being a secular analyst
scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.
do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?
if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?
the sounding of those seven trumpets got underway from 1922 with the Cedar Point, Ohio convention continuing on until 1928 with the Convention in Detroit,
To the sad jealousy of others, the JW are fulfilling Bible prophecy. Take for example “How else will the scriptures be fulfilled when Jesus deliberately fulfilled prophecy.” Oh, the remarkable grasp and understanding of scripture by JW!
due to their apparent theological bias, the watchtower shamelessly inserts the word "other" in order to "make room" for their own idea that jesus is also a created being.
it is clear that jehovah's witnesses try to avoid having to admit that christ created everything because "the one who constructed all things is god" (hebrews 3:4).
instead, the society teaches that "christ was the only one created by god," and that then he "created everything else with jehovah.
SBF, I sincerely enjoy your posts. You are one of the greatest posters here.,
John 1:1 refers to Jesus as God/ god but not in the Rabbinical “shituf” ( partner) sense or as having the title God. In the Bible only Jehovah is the true God or the God or simply God. The JW Bible explains the verse with another verse: “Although he existed in God’s form.” The misunderstanding that JC is God lies with with western concept of God —is always One Almighty God and the English language. Therefore the non sequitur conclusion is a trinity or that Jesus is Jehovah ignoring everything else the Bible says.
” All authority has been GIVEN to me.”Jesus is now God by proxy. He has power of attorney. In the beginning Jesus was God but not by proxy. He was God in form. He had less power and authority than he does now sll tgecwhile being God back then.
