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  Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.

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  God's Law is the highest Law and God's Court is the highest Court.

  Irrelevant in a Court of law and under this topic. You went off on a tangent. You deflect from the discussion here which is not a Biblical topic but only legal.
  
  
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  Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.

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  remember that Bible lesson about how King Solomon could tell who was the real mom?

  The subject matter of the Court is law not the Bible.
  
  
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  Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.

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  EP

  If the WTBT$ wasn't guilty of complicity, then why were they trying to avoid discovery as regards the relationship between the Watch Tower of New York and the Watch Tower of Pennsylvania or the way the organization worked in prior years? What were they trying to hide? What were they afraid of revealing?

  Like saying someone is guilty of something when they invoke the Fifth and should therefore surrender their rights or when someone refuses a search inside their house or their car without a warrant if they have nothing to hide. That is your logic. Or when a leo not acting in her official capacity abuses family members, why isn’t the agency and the municipality liable?

  Also, in the Penkava case referenced above, the accused was a family member —if I am not mistaken. In that case, the Elders were convicted of not reporting ca when according to what I read on the internet they reported it to the wt lawyers, so to say they covered the abuse is a misrepresentation making it seem they kept it secret. They didn’t. They reported it to WT. Also, WT argues time and time again that sadly privileged communications are protected under Federal law inspite of State compulsory reporting mandates so WT argues they have legal reasons for not disclosing privileged communication. Not to be misrepresented by the term cover up which implies no legal basis and that wt has something to gain. Also when a penitent confesses privileged information to a minister is a minister covering up a crime or a sin if he doesn’t turn the person in? Even if the crime is required by law to be reported is he covering up the crime by not turning the person in if he has nothing to gain? Covering up describes hiding shameful conduct or wrongful conduct that affects the person doing the cover up like when police cover up police misconduct to protect the pd from liability. But how is wt benefiting by not turning in someone accused of abusing his own family like in the referenced Illinois case. Calling it a coverup is disingenuous seems to me.

  ( Personal feelings aside.)
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  Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.

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  EP

  Thanks for the links EP appreciate these sources.

  I’ve noticed that on the Montana cases you linked, the Defendants were relatives. Really horrible and disturbing stuff to read. Unimaginable abuse, assuming it is true. Because WT has deep pockets and the victims can collect from them. Minus WT in the equation, the relatives would still have abused their innocent kids.

  Courts don’t adjudicate feelings or morality or good and bad such as when “doctors” with the permission of the mother have gruesomely un-alived legally as a child is being born but partially inside the mother for example. I’ve seen medical books on this that haunts me till this day. How about liability of government agencies having knowledge that children are being harmed or were harmed in the past with drug and tobacco use in the home or an environment that damages the welfare of a child such as corrupting conduct of the parents or too something physical like lead paint in gov owned housing for example . Shouldn’t there also be a tolling of the statute of limitations to hold liable people responsible for protecting children?

  The legal issue involving wt in all objectivity is wt liability in any failure to protect children when legally required to do so. Seems to me.
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  Is There Concrete Evidence That The Org. Has Covered up Child Abuse?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  i hear of a plenty of personal testimonies of abuse but it is harder to prove organizational complicity.

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  Depends on how one likes to define cover up. Sure you know that WT DFs people that do those things.
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  They still call it Pizza but it doesn’t taste like it anymore.

  by Fisherman in

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  i remember as a kid that a slice of pizza was a dime, the same price for a large bag of m&ms or a large hershey’s bar or an ice cream popsicle, box of cracker jacks, bag of potato chips, bus fare.

  the dimes were made out of silver and many of them were mercury dimes with the dates worn off.

  …and while nowadays except for the pizza, everything tastes about the same only now costing 10 times as much, bus fare costs 28x as much and pizza costs 40x as much:.

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  I remember as a kid that a slice of pizza was a dime, the same price for a large bag of M&Ms or a large Hershey’s bar or an ice cream popsicle, box of cracker jacks, bag of potato chips, bus fare. The dimes were made out of silver and many of them were mercury dimes with the dates worn off.

  …And while nowadays except for the pizza, everything tastes about the same only now costing 10 times as much, bus fare costs 28x as much and pizza costs 40x as much:

  The so called pizza is made with artificial cheese and cheap ingredients everywhere you go. For some years a few pizza joints continued to use real cheese and ingredients and it was a delight to eat, same taste as the dime pizza of old, very tasty and satisfying with real gooey cheese. Now they’ve stopped and all pizza shops have deteriorated and serving artificial pizza that is a waste of time to eat using fake cheese and cheap sauce. People still eat them because that is all there is everywhere you go.

  How is the Pizza where you live?
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  Goodbye Mother

  by punkofnice in

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  so my mother passed on 20 aug 23 from the big c. i was there when she went.

  that was indeed very traumatic.

  i won't go to describe it.. dad went 17 years ago so there's just me now.

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  Do they think this will attract people into their cult?

  My sincerest condolences for your loss.

  The invited minister should have realized beforehand that he was outside his jurisdiction inside the kh. He is not a Rev inside the kh.

  I have attended funerals for JW where their df family comes to the kh and all JW treat and greet the df family members with compassion and warmth and talk to them and comfort them. —Now if someone starts preaching another religion inside the kh, that is being disorderly and disrespectful.
  
  
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  1974 and all that

  by Number 6 in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xznh9icm1os.

  i came across this footage recently whilst searching for something completely unrelated and it blew me away!.

  it's from the august 1974 convention at murrayfield, edinburgh and you can clearly see the stage set up still keeping the 6000 years and 1975 mantra going.. what makes this very personal for me is that i was here.

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  Two biggest issues for Watchtower right now

  by Teddnzo in

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  selena accused tony morris of being involved in child abuse and the pimo bethelite who just got kicked out.

  let’s see how this rolls out.

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  Nothing noteworthy here in this post that is an issue.

  Human conduct can be written off and offenders replaced not mitigating the solidity of being God’s org to convinced believers —and logically. The real logical issues are the teachings of 1914 and the last days being true and if directions that might have cause injury or death were from erroneous interpretation of the Bible. JW true believers won’t be unconvinced though and will see things through.
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  New brochure Make Disciples was it worth the suspense?

  by Tahoe in

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  courtesy of reddit.

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  I think the implication is that after waiting in suspense for the gt, it didn’t come and if you feel let down after the suspense keep trying to make disciples. The ones in suspense were the elders the only ones that knew about the secret so that is the message to them.