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  God does exist...

  by czarofmischief in

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  earlier a thread emerged, as they do so often, on whether or not god existed.

  i stated that he does, unequivocally and without doubt.

  i refused to preface the statement with the phrase "i believe".

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  Love_Truth

  Rem,
  
  True, evolution does not attempt to explain spontaneous appearance of life (abiogenesis) or physical laws. However, to say it ?has nothing to do with? those is incorrect. It is not a misconception that "drastic jumps from one species to another", occur in the fossil record. That mutation, or adaptation/natural selection occurs both in nature and in experiments supports either conclusion, evolution or Creation..
  
  Physical laws factor into abiogenesis as well as evolution theory, thusly: One must at some point explain from whence came the ?primordial ooze? that produced life, if one believes such (I obviously don?t). One must explain how things came to be. Creation is a much more believable explanation, IMO.

  I don?t think it's strange that fossils in the geological strata are ?so conveniently sorted, from the oldest, most primitive organisms at the bottom to modern ones at the top?. Why? Again, we can theorize that God was experimenting with more primitive forms of created life, and learning from that experience, to mmake increasingly complex ones (just one of many explanations).

  
  My criticism of dating methods is not way out of date. One could argue that dating methods are much more accurate when paired with such methods as dendochronology (which is absolutely correct). Ice core samples are one of the more accurate methods of dating, as well, so I wouldn?t argue too much about that unless you have a specific example. It is carbon/K-AR dating that is subject to a huge margin of error in all dates. Sedimentary analysis is also prone to a large margin of error.

  Incidentally, back to physics, and the Creation of the Universe- have you seen the latest on the ?Big Bang? theory? There?s lots of information currently destroying that theory, such as:

  http://www.angelfire.com/az/BIGBANGisWRONG/

  
  
  Have a good day at work,

  Love_Truth
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  Looking After Widows and Orphans--James 1:27

  by blondie in

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  http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-bb14extramar14,0,7446169.story?coll=sfla-news-palm

  west lantana widow struggles to live on meager social security

  by sam tranum.

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  Love_Truth

  One of my favorite Scriptures for pointing out one of many errors the Witnesses make.

  James 1:27 (NWT): "The form of worship that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to look after orphans and widows..."

  So, if that is the form of worship that God wants, why do the dubs not do more to help widows and orphans? They do next to nothing. They should have orphanages, and places and programs to support widows in need.

  No wonder JWs rarely quote that Scripture.
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  So, Do You Think You're Pretty Good Looking?

  by minimus in

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  how would you rate yourself?

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  Love_Truth

  I'm an eight on a scale of 1 to 12.

  Oops! Your talking about looks!

  I'd guess I tend towards the upper end of the scale based on other's comments.

  But it's what inside that counts.
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  God does exist...

  by czarofmischief in

  1. jw
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  earlier a thread emerged, as they do so often, on whether or not god existed.

  i stated that he does, unequivocally and without doubt.

  i refused to preface the statement with the phrase "i believe".

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  Love_Truth

  Abaddon,
  

  Oh, Life of Brian- different movie (I was thinking of "MP & theHoly Grail"). Still, good one!
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  God does exist...

  by czarofmischief in

  1. jw
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  earlier a thread emerged, as they do so often, on whether or not god existed.

  i stated that he does, unequivocally and without doubt.

  i refused to preface the statement with the phrase "i believe".

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  Love_Truth

  Hunyadi,

  I'm with you- I look out my window, or at how complex mammals or humans are made, and I find it only strengthens my faith in the Creator.

  Cheers,

  Love_Truth
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  God does exist...

  by czarofmischief in

  1. jw
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  earlier a thread emerged, as they do so often, on whether or not god existed.

  i stated that he does, unequivocally and without doubt.

  i refused to preface the statement with the phrase "i believe".

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  Love_Truth

  LittleToe,

  Yes, I have a strong feeling this thread may turn out to be the longest ever. I never give up. It's part of my character. Especially when we're talking opinions, which encompasses every conclusion known to humankind.

  Abaddon,

  I agree with LT on the Monty Python thought- I thought the same thing when I read that comment. The writing of Joseph of Arimithea on the wall in the cave, you know, it says Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarghhhhhhhhhhhhhh..........

  Six,

  Nothing has convinced me God does not exist to date. Numerous conclusions from the same evidence. My statement stands.

  Love_truth- What fun!
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  God does exist...

  by czarofmischief in

  1. jw
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  earlier a thread emerged, as they do so often, on whether or not god existed.

  i stated that he does, unequivocally and without doubt.

  i refused to preface the statement with the phrase "i believe".

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  Love_Truth

  Farkel,

  How do you reconcile the fact that the alleged writer of Genesis, namely Moses, could list some Kings of Israel in that same book that were to reign some 350 fifty years AFTER he was buried? I've got many more anachronisms from the Bible. Just answer to people's satisfaction the problem with this one and then challenge me some more. I will make your head spin and show you just how NOT historically accurate the Bible has been.

  Go for it. I?ll first remind you that (1) Archaeology is more art than science- it?s detective work, good or bad, that yields the conclusion of the team doing the analysis as to when events occurred, why, how, etc. Archaeological conclusions are always subject to re-interpretation. How many innocents have been jailed, executed, or otherwise punished due to ?bad? detective work, using recent evidence?

  Dating methods are likewise inaccurate, and have been proven so. There are numerous examples of hoaxes that were radiocarbon dated to thousands of years, and then determined (after the hoax was revealed) that the dates were way, way off. So much for ?dating? accuracy. When a method of accurately, reliably, dating material is developed, the present day methods will then be ?demolished?, as you are fond of stating. Until then careers, books, and fortunes rely on the appearance of accuracy in findings. Professionals in the fields described above often cover each others backs collaboratively in coming to their conclusions.

  If you choose to believe in uncertain conclusions, so be it. The Bible was, and is believed to be God?s inspired word for many centuries, nearly two thousand years. For your ilk to now try to prove otherwise, you?ll need irrefutable proof to convince me.

  Go ahead, give it your best shot. This?ll be fun.

  Love_Truth- loves it when people threaten ?demolishing? other?s beliefs with out irrefutable evidence to back them up.

  Abaddon,

  What I wrote above (to Farkel) and here:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/67962/1068440/post.ashx#1068440

  fairly well sums up my response to your latest posts.

  To elaborate further, you continually bring up how ?inaccurate? the Bible is, and yet you have posted no irrefutable conclusions to that end.

  You bring up the flood (yet again) that we?ve already discussed in another thread:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/15/66823/1040881/post.ashx#1040881

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/15/66823/1041955/post.ashx#1041955

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/15/66823/1042250/post.ashx#1042250

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/15/66823/1042364/post.ashx#1042364

  You likewise bring up evolution theory as ?proof?, which I?ve touched on as well:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/67808/1058804/post.ashx#1058804

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/67808/1058844/post.ashx#1058844

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/67808/1058897/post.ashx#1058897

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/67808/1058907/post.ashx#1058907

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/67808/1058956/post.ashx#1058956

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/67808/1059031/post.ashx#1059031

  So, if you have other or new lines of reasoning you?d like to pursue, be my guest.

  Let?s not rehash what?s already been covered on:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/67335/1047849/post.ashx#1047849

  and:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/15/66823/1037533/post.ashx#1037533

  OK?

  Now, as for what you consider to be the ?weakest link in evolution theory? I can?t read your mind, but I can certainly read your post history here on JWD. Do you care to point me to the post in question? Or do I have to dig it up myself? Here are what I see as, off the top of my head, the weakest links in evolution theory:

  -The spontaneous appearance of life (Creation explains this well, evolution, other theories, not so).

  -The drastic jump from one species, genetic type, etc, to a radically different one. (Creation explains this well, evolution, other theories, not so).

  - The physical laws. (Creation explains this well, evolution, other theories, not so).

  That?s a ?good start?. I may post more, yet that?s enough for now to get the discussion rolling, I believe.

  Incidentally, whether I am an archaeologist, a biologist, or an engineer, what is critical in all of the sciences is critical thinking, good analytical skills, a healthy amount of skepticism, a good research tool such as the internet, and it doesn?t hurt to have an IQ in the top 1%. I don?t need to be a "Degreed" subject matter expert, per se, to come to a valid, supportable, defendable conclusion, as long as I have the aforementioned attributes.

  In addition to what I wrote above to Farkel about archaeology and dating, I?d add that I?ve found in my 19 years holding senior level positions in Engineering, Consulting, Marketing, and Sales, that University Degrees are good for credentials (to get one?s foot in the door), not good for much else. I can become a subject matter expert without a degree, such was the case with many of the most brilliant minds in recorded history, so appeal to authority alone is unconvincing to me.

  So, no, I won?t be taking a test. If you believe something to be factual, irrefutable, whatever, post it and state so. If I?m not familiar with the subject matter, I?ll research it and reply after doing so.

  PS- as for the definition of ? deamazon ?, you?ll have to tell me what that is.

  SixofNine,

  The first part?s easy- it?s possible to argue about the existence of God because there are numerous conclusions that can be drawn from the observable evidence.

  Yes, but an all powerful benevolent and loving god is not one of them, unfortunately.

  Seems I?ve already shown my assertion to indeed, be the case (numerous conclusions), and continue to do so. So much for your ?argument?.

  Love_Truth- knows this is going to be a "never ending" thread.

  P.S.- let's try and continue keeping this civil, eh? I'm not a fan of being callled names or playing the "my opinion is better than yours" games.
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  God does exist...

  by czarofmischief in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  earlier a thread emerged, as they do so often, on whether or not god existed.

  i stated that he does, unequivocally and without doubt.

  i refused to preface the statement with the phrase "i believe".

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  Love_Truth

  Wasa,
  

  A few things I'd comment on in your post:

  - are you atheist or agnostic? You describe yourself by both labels in your post.

  - I do believe God answers our prayers, however, I don't ask for anything other than strength, wisdom, understanding, fruits of the spirit, etc. To ask God to "take away" an affliction, or to "grant a wish", or to provide something material, is wrong, IMHO. I generally give thanks to God in my prayers, and yes, there is always something to give thanks for. It's all attitude (is the glass half empty or half full). And I'm speaking as someone who has endured much hardship throughout my life (I'm currently writing an autobiography after constant prodding throughout my life by friends and others I've told some of my stories to). I've also received many blessings, as well. Are those due to God answering my heart's desire? Or is it because I accept the human condition, imperfect, yet resilient, emotional, yet wise. I've been through most of what you wrote and more (my Mom's got cancer as of this writing).

  I'm not knocking your perspective, simply giving another view. We're all as individual as fingerprints, and in the end, God will judge us each as individuals. I just don't personally blame God for bad things happening- it's part and parcel of life since Adam sinned, and paseed on that sin to humanity.

  I wish you and yours the best.

  LittleToe,

  I'll consider your advice re: Abaddon. Thanks. (Although I don't mind debating the flood, or anything else, with anyone).

  Abaddon,

  I'll get to your issues during this week- It's a busy one for me. As for the test, I think that's rather condescending, dude. I have a good friend with a post graduate degree in Biology, and he believes as I do. I have a graduate degree (BSEE) as well, and decades of experience as an Engineer, much of which rests on understanding physical laws. I could make up a test for you just as well. I frankly find it somewhat childish. I will, however, as usual, answer your post. I'll close this brief response by reminding you that, in these matters (Bible's accuracy, Flood, Creation vs Evolution, etc), there is no irrefutable proof, only "best guesses" based on the evidence at hand. So, for evry "expert opinion" you can provide, I can do likewise. But, that having beemn said, I'm a sucker for debates of this nature, so look for my response(s) sometime this week.

  Cheers to all,

  Love_Truth
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  To those with "ears" to "hear"...

  by AGuest in

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  once again, the spirit of my lord is upon me to call to the household of god, israel, and all those that 'go with' them...

  may you all have peace!

  very soon now, another time of "offering" will be upon you.

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  Yes,

  Those who put faith in YHWH, His Son, Jesus Christ, the Messiah and our mediator, and His Ransom Sacrifice in our behalf, we should partake of the symbols.

  One should, however, before doing so carefully consider 1 Corinthians 11: 23-34:

  "23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me." 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me." 26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.
  27 Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. 29 For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 31 But if we judged ourselves, we would not come under judgment. 32 When we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be condemned with the world.
  33 So then, my brothers, when you come together to eat, wait for each other. 34 If anyone is hungry, he should eat at home, so that when you meet together it may not result in judgment. And when I come I will give further directions."

  I'll be partaking, along with many other XJWS, on the night of April 4, 2004 this year.

  Love_Truth (unleavened bread, not pizza, of course)
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  JW's set to waste more paper @ Wallkill NY

  by seedy3 in

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  check this out pictures of the expansion of the wallkill ny printing plant http://walkerimages.com/photo020.html.

  one that i really wonder about and wonder how much they cropped is this one http://walkerimages.com/images02/1-1-04_view_from_new_factory_roof_.jpg.

  is that a pyrimid there?????

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  Blondie,

  ROFL!! You hit the nail on the head!! Yes, they'd wind up in piles in basements an attics, before they went to the recycling center or the trash and found their way to the landfill!!

  And here they are expandind the printing (wastefulness) facilities so they they waste even more forests in the same old tired excuse for "Christian works", instead of recognizing and using other forms of mass media (distributing CDs, or directing proselytes to their website).

  What a waste of forests!

  As the Bible says, that God will " bring to ruin those ruining the earth ."?Revelation 11:18.