Trying to make themselves look better, eh. Also worried the Dateline documentary will air soon. May all please remember to be politely daily emailing [email protected] with the request they air the documentary as soon as possible for every day delayed is another day the pedophiles keep their secrets hidden by the Watchtower Society and harm more kids.
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WT Website Puts Up Articles On Molestation!
by silentlambs inthe listings below are a new offering from the watchtower website.
it seems the brothers have developed a real concern for putting up every article ever written about child abuse.
i appreciate this greatly as it helps the public to see the great deficiency of watchtower policy.
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DATELINE SCHEDULE LINEUP !
by Amazing inwhile not about jws yet, it is about child abuse for the next two programs ... the warm-up in the bull pin before the game begins!
go to: http://www.msnbc.com/onair/default.asp?program=dateline%20nbc to see the current line up.
if you havn't already, save this link so you can check each day for the upcoming schedule.
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Yet 90% of the way there isn't 100%; until it is scheduled keep emailing [email protected] daily politely thanking them for filming but asking now for it to be aired; every day delayed is another day and night for sexual predators to be preying on JW kids and the public's
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Kinky details to JW boys death
by Kep inthis boys disappearance was big news in nz.. searches were done a number of times in the area.. finally his body was found.. this article has just appeared with some rather unusual details surrounding his disappearance.. http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,1159345a11,ff.html.
you might have to key in the full address to open the article, but i've pasted it as well.. teen went missing after prank .
07 april 2002 .
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SEAKN, no one said the boy was murdered but he is DEAD. Given the information that was withheld from the police he was probably horrified that elders or kids not being put off from it by elders were doing things he felt God disapproved of such as indecent exposure so tried to escape and wound up drowning. It is possible someone pushed him into the lake to shut him up forever, but no one here said that was a fact. Still, the boy is DEAD. DEAD is dead. There is no excuse possible for this. If some don't want to blame the two adults in any way since it will make Mama Watchtower and the position of elder less secure, tough luck. A kid is dead. This isn't propaganda, this is FACT. Put yourself in the parent's shoes!
Now as to a "Mossad" (Israeli CIA) thing, since when do they kill a kid instead of a parent. Simplest thing is the young man was disgusted, ran off and drowned himself. We're right to be disgusted too.
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Bible Students
by LucidSky ini explored a few options as i was coming out of the organization.
nominal christianity had no appeal except that it was without the policing and punishment of the jw's.
there was no open discussion still and i didn't agree with most of it.
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Hoo, just start your own Bible Study Group independent of both the Watchtower and Dawn Bible Students. Many have. For example here is one that began in Nigeria but is now also in the United States:
THE MAIN GOAL OF "GOD'S KINGDOM SOCIETY" is to peacefully tell the Good News and organize for Jehovah's Kingdom under Jesus Christ. This is done with free public lectures and publications, occasionally by TV and radio, and sometimes by street corner and home witnessing. All such evangelizing, currently mostly in Africa and Western cities, is done by male members while female members contribute by charitable deeds and building stronger families. Members agree that Jesus returned invisibly in 1914 and Armageddon will come although no one knows or can truthfully set a date for when. After Armageddon our planet Earth will be restored to Edenic paradise and surviving humans will also eventually be restored to perfection, all to the great glory and praise of Jehovah. The 144,000 number for those serving with Christ from heaven is not literal and not filled. Tolerance and neighborliness need to be given those of other beliefs, but although many group say they are Christians or for Jehovah their fruits show to that to the contrary are cleverly misled by the devil who is a wicked spirit. Although the Bible speaks of women such as Miriam, Deborah, Anna and Hulda as religious leaders, prophetess or preachers such references are believed due to misunderstandings as when Deborah is called a judge over Israel but this may have been in only an honorary non-literal sense. Racism is opposed. Hell is not a literal place of fire but sleep-like death for unconscious souls. Only knowing adults are given baptism symbolic of their dedication as Christians.
Sunday service is simple. It begins with the opening cry of "Hail Jehovah and Jesus Christ!" that members commonly use to greet each other, and next come sermons or exhortations, announcements, songs of thanksgiving, the ending cry of "Hail Jehovah and Jesus Christ!" Songs are usually accompanied by organ music, may be traditional or modern African and Western songs. Most meetings are in English but with allowances for those of other language groups. Members do not partake of the Lord's Meal (Last Supper), prayer is done standing with eyes open, women cannot wear men's clothing or dress provocatively and must wear a head covering, women do not speak during worship or sit in the altar area, men sit on the right of the altar and women on the left. There are Wednesday night Bible Study meetings lasting 1 ½ hours for men and a separate timed meeting that night for the women, and other possible Bible studies. Membership is free and as easy as agreeing to the beliefs. Donating is encouraged, and much joy comes from Christian helping of the needy. A Youth Assembly with fun activities (Bible quiz, drama, music, sports) comes each August, Freedom Day concerning Jesus' birthday is in October, the highly spectacular Feast of Tabernacles in December. There are also special fellowshipping conferences for ministers (June), lay members and women (both Mar-Apr).
Major GKC Bible Study groups gather throughout Nigeria, Monrovia in Liberia, in Europe including London, as well as in the United States in Detroit, Michigan and Decatur, Illinois. The world headquarters is at Warri or Salem City, Nigeria in the Delta Province. GKC was founded in Lagos, Nigeria in 1934, by Gideon M Urhobo. He was President 1903-1952, is considered a saint and a Spirit-annointed witness for Jehovah and Jesus Christ. Although he studied with and distributed some publications of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society over Jehovah's Witnesses by helping WBTS representative W.R. Brown, he was in fact always and foremost for Jehovah God Himself and Christ not the WBTS. From its founding GKC has pointed out that the WBTS has proved itself a false prophet many many times. Even prior to the WBTS's wrong predictation that 1975 would bring Armageddon, "after the eclipse of the sun on Tuesday, 2nd May 1947" JWs poured into Nigeria's towns and villages proclaiming Armageddon's imminence http://www.waado.org/UrhoboCulture/Religion/Erivwo/HistoryOfChristianity/Chapte\rSeven.html) Because of Bible precedent, it being legal and culturally accepted in many African nations including Nigeria, GKC has also differs from the WBTS in allowing polygamy there. After Urhobo's death, Ebenezer Otomewo contributed toward much growth as President 1952-1997. And in September 1997 Emmanuel Oseghale Aighalua, an attorney, became President at age 39. There are other GKC officers and Executive Board members. Just two of the GKC's main websites are http://www.gkschurch.org[email protected] (London) and http://gksmountain.com[email protected] (Nigeria).
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Kinky details to JW boys death
by Kep inthis boys disappearance was big news in nz.. searches were done a number of times in the area.. finally his body was found.. this article has just appeared with some rather unusual details surrounding his disappearance.. http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,1159345a11,ff.html.
you might have to key in the full address to open the article, but i've pasted it as well.. teen went missing after prank .
07 april 2002 .
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anewperson
A dead or murdered boy doesn't sound "sinister?" Two JW elders being at a campout during which pictures are taken of boys peeing doesn't sound "sinster?" Get off, chum. You WT types will say most anything but that's to be expected of those covering up child rape.
Let's remember to daily email a polite request to [email protected] to air the coverup documentary as fast as they can to cut short the agony of those now being raped and forestall the raping of other kids.
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Kinky details to JW boys death
by Kep inthis boys disappearance was big news in nz.. searches were done a number of times in the area.. finally his body was found.. this article has just appeared with some rather unusual details surrounding his disappearance.. http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,1159345a11,ff.html.
you might have to key in the full address to open the article, but i've pasted it as well.. teen went missing after prank .
07 april 2002 .
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anewperson
Loggers may "do it" but don't take pictures of each other doing it! If they did they'd be sickos too.
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Return visits
by sleepy inman i used to hate doing return visits.. at one time i worked with a lot of pioneers and they always did a load of return visits.. but most people they called on were either elderly and liked someone to talk to or people who may have been polite , or took the mags on the doors , but had no real interest.. i used to hate the way poeple would say to call back on the "intrested ones" as nearly no one you call on is interested in being a witness.. yet most witneeses cant see this.any sign of a conversation or just looking at the mags and every thinks they are interested.. so most of these pioneers just ended up irratating people who were just being polite, by repeatedly calling on them.. sometimes after a few weeks , the person would just disappear , you knew they were hinding behind the door or something.. so i hardly ever had return visits as i found i could quickly tell whether someone is being polite or had a real interest in tallking, although i kept some calls going just so i could count them.. succsessful pioneers are just the ones who cant read the signs of disinterest easily , and just wear someone down so much that they give in to their preaching.
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anewperson
This could be a string of itself. How to leave lots of Watchtowers:
1) Go into the restroom of a mall and shove old back issues under the stall doors;
2) Go out to a cemetery and leave them on or beside tombstones wrapped in clear paper to protect from rain until found by visitors;
3) Go to the Dominican Republic and throw Bible tracts and WT's to people as you drive on the road past them.
Actually I've heard of all three being done, even praised by Circuit Overseers. Crazy, eh!
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How would a WTS 'operative' behave?
by Simon ini'm sure several here have posted and tried to be a thorn in the flesh of some of the jw-loyal forums on the net.. what was most effective?
if someone announced "i am an apostate and i think you jws are all wrong and i will prove why" do you think they would last very long?
to be able to do any damage so to speak, a careful masquarade would need to be maintained of being a loyal jw while stying to stir things up.. now, think of how anyone opposed to us 'opposers' would behave here .... would they announce that they are jws and they they were going to "set us all straight" ... or would they pretend to be an apostate ... pretend to 'help with the cause' but try and do more harm than good?.
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P.S. I think you mean Kent is not an idiot in the sense of being ignorant but in shooting his mouth off sometimes. Maybe so, but he also often gets results. That's what I commend.
In ancient times the Scandinavian peoples called the Vikings had certain individuals called The Bezerkers. These were strong warriors who grabbed an axe and threw themselves maniacally into battle, so worked up and frenzied that even when shot full of arrows they kept coming and inflicting mortal wounds. One beserkers might slay 70 foes.
In modern English to be bezerk is regarded as a negative. To the Scandinavians (Norwegians, Danes, Swedes) however to be a Bezerker warrior is a good thing. And what is good is when you spot a true bezerker is, don't taunt him, but point him toward the real foe, the Watchtower men defending pedophilia coverup.
You don't have to "like" a bezerker personally, though some may admire him. But you need to recognize him for what he really is: a warrior.
An axe or a computer keyboard, it is what it is according to how it is used. Let us act in love with the sword or pen of the Real truth!
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How would a WTS 'operative' behave?
by Simon ini'm sure several here have posted and tried to be a thorn in the flesh of some of the jw-loyal forums on the net.. what was most effective?
if someone announced "i am an apostate and i think you jws are all wrong and i will prove why" do you think they would last very long?
to be able to do any damage so to speak, a careful masquarade would need to be maintained of being a loyal jw while stying to stir things up.. now, think of how anyone opposed to us 'opposers' would behave here .... would they announce that they are jws and they they were going to "set us all straight" ... or would they pretend to be an apostate ... pretend to 'help with the cause' but try and do more harm than good?.
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Even by simple logic you can figure out that multiple personas are used.
One is the "good guy" persona who is obviously anti-WTS, the second is the "bad guy" persona who is obviously pro-WTS, but the third most sneaky one is the one who is sometimes pro- and sometimes anti-WTS. This form of Theocratic Warfare tactic is commonly known as "Good Cop - Bad Cop," and is also employed in police interrogations.
Let's say you are President of the Gov Body of the WTS and have a Gov Body member you wonder about. You assign another Gov Body member to be rough towards him, and second Gov Body member who acts extra sympathetic towards him. The targeted person will tend to tell the "Good Cop" sympathetic person everything.
It's also played out in congregations with good versus bad elder enactments. The main goal is to draw out the person's true inclinations of the heart. Then once all is known that needs known the boom gets lowered.
So how does one counter the personas' efforts? The easiest way is by simply knowing what is going on. Then you can use their own ploy so that it backfires on them. Or alternatively say nothing to either party, instead doing as the old saying goes which basically is, you don't need to bother showing anger or anything to them but do be taking action that deals with them!
What action? That varies per situation. The best many would agree is to let their own rotten actions expose them. After identifying that's what they definitely are, gather the truth about Good Cop - Bad Cop then expose it to the brightest sunlight possible.
Now that's how an anti-WTS operative works against a pro-WTS operative. Yes, they are here, so make use of them. For example, I know if I post a To-The-Gov-Body letter and mention Steven Lett, he will see a copy of it. Great! Now I'm using their own devices to an advantage.
Feel good in knowing this. Even though they know what is going on, such as the silentlambs effort, their having that knowledge does them no good since they are overly confident, arrogantly bloated with too much so-called knowledge (some true, some not) and in summary misinterpret how to procede with the knowledge.
Knowledge is power. But not knowing how to use that knowledge gained from peeping in on people like here on this board, is stupidity. They are a big old dragon now thrashing about wildly due its own stupidity. Misinterpreted knowledge is an Achilles Heel for the WTS.
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How would a WTS 'operative' behave?
by Simon ini'm sure several here have posted and tried to be a thorn in the flesh of some of the jw-loyal forums on the net.. what was most effective?
if someone announced "i am an apostate and i think you jws are all wrong and i will prove why" do you think they would last very long?
to be able to do any damage so to speak, a careful masquarade would need to be maintained of being a loyal jw while stying to stir things up.. now, think of how anyone opposed to us 'opposers' would behave here .... would they announce that they are jws and they they were going to "set us all straight" ... or would they pretend to be an apostate ... pretend to 'help with the cause' but try and do more harm than good?.
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Not improbably Watchtower trolls (whom I understand are known to Brooklyn as their "Fellow Workers") are also emailing Dateline trying to sound rudely insistent that the documentary be aired, hoping this will elicit the opposite effect. It won't work though for Dateline has seen it all before.
Our Free Christians News readers are encouraged to be courteous in asking for the Silentlambs documentary to be aired. If Bill does ever wish us to not have the readers do so at any point then we will comply out of respect for him at once, urging readers to do the same.
Most clear is that trolls especially like to use repeatedly a divide-and-conquer strategy. To wit, I notice people lambasting Kent sometimes, Randy less often. Though Kent's personality may be brusque as some say, his efforts have been enormously powerful for exposing the Watchtower Society.
They have done the same with myself some too, and I suspect that behind our backs (Kent's, Randy's et al) they try to separate you from us too, Simon. Thanks for bearing with us. Their sneaky little moves just show one main thing, they are running scared!
Smiling: Run, Watchtower, run, run!