In some congregations, especially where pedophilia and the like must be covered up, they can stoop to extreme measures of detective work engaging JW watchmen from other halls as well as locals. So your saying they didn't investigate you and it wasn't done impartially may not be correct. You backed them up but they got what they wanted when you disassociated. My guess is this Salmon congregation is one of the Terrible types. Don't even be surprised if they try to upset the "three-fold" knot that binds yourself and your wife. Why not use your new found Christian Freedom to fight them all the more with the light of real truth regarding the pedophilia coverup policy etc?
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Judicial Hearing Notification
by DakotaRed inin other threads i have outlined when two elders came out to my house to provoke a situation to have reason to df me.
below is a copy of the certified letter i received about two weeks after i threww the two elders out of my house, followed by my reply to the secretary, who is also the elder that instigated the the situation as well as the chair of the judicial hearing they tried to form.. i have edited out personal information as well as his signature, since my wife is still an active dub and has enough trouble with them as it is.
salmon creek congregation of jehovah's witnesses.
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Idaho Television Interview-any takers?
by silentlambs inthe message below is from a television reporter in idaho.
from: "joni shriver" < [email protected]>.
subject: re: child abuse in jehovah's witnesses - pr.
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anewperson
He has called in the police all over the nation, Fred, as well as alerted police in other nations. How would you like to be in a congregation with not one or two but three creepy-crawly child molestors in it like at Draffenville, Kentucky, Fred.
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WT Molesters In The News -Crosswalk
by silentlambs incrosswalk.com news channel .
print | back .
http://news.crosswalk.com/cc/cda/content_blocks/cc_printer_friendly_version_utility/1,,ptid74088|chid194343|ciid1117244|cpathl3bhcnruzxivqxj0awnszv9eaxnwbgf5x1bhz2uvmcwsufrjrdc0mdg4fenisuqxotqzndn8q0ljrdexmtcyndqsmdauahrtba==,00.html .
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He says they do not resist the proper authorities being notified. He apparently interprets those "proper" authorities as Watchtower heads in Brooklyn instead of police. This goes on all the time. He rightly says its a "horrid" crime but does not confess his Watchtower masters abet such crimes. Words, no true repentance. Crosswalk emails to tons of people. Good.
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Silentlambs: Modern-day Folk Hero?
by Derrick inhe's the "knight in shining armor" for many young ones across the globe, who were spared from predators moving in for the kill.
who was instrumental amongst jehovah's witnesses in chasing these monsters off?
it should have been brothers in the watchtower society.
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anewperson
Norm, you are trying to impress us with your repertoire of filthy language. But to answer you point-blank the assumption was that up to about age 10 any captured female children were deemed virgins, no need to do a physical examination. I've done no wiggling at all but so far you've tried to throw off my question by your wordage and effort to laugh it off. Norm, lots of people read some of these threads. You'll have to do better than try to blow things away with a quick laugh. Cease your diatribe so get serious and answer us calmly with logic and reasoning instead of weak emotionalism.
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NEW SCHOOL GUIDEBOOK
by nytelecom1 inhow thankful i am to have reviewed the new guidebook yesterday..truly.
this book book will help all of jehovahs loyal servants advance .
in their teaching abilities to spread the good news of the kingdom.. truly jehovah continues to bless his organization!!
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anewperson
If any of you actually have a copy, then please go ahead and critique it here for the benefit of Kent and everyone. I'd also like your views.
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Silent Lambs
by VioletAnai inhere i was thinking i was the only one with a dirty past.
the elders didn't understand why i had a drinking problem.
thought it must of been fornication and well, the sister i was studying with thought i had to have been my brother-in-law cause i was drinking with him.
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Violet, these days a lot of us fellowship via the internet & sometimes in person based on friendliness (love) instead of forced same beliefs though lots who do so still believe in the good things like Jah and the coming paradise earth and are non-trinitarian. If you'd like a free emailed subscription for our newsletter the Free Christians News, just email a request to [email protected] Unlike the Watchtower Society we do not claim to be perfect or expect our friends to pretend they are either. Thanks for speaking out.
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Silent Lambs
by VioletAnai inhere i was thinking i was the only one with a dirty past.
the elders didn't understand why i had a drinking problem.
thought it must of been fornication and well, the sister i was studying with thought i had to have been my brother-in-law cause i was drinking with him.
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anewperson
Hi, Violet, and thanks for the post. In the following list 'some' (definitely only a tiny tip of the iceberg) of the congregations where pedophilia/molestation/incest have been covered up per Watchtower policy are noted with * Who knows, your state or congregation might even already be in the list. For some of the incidents in other nations (also still being compiled) you and other readers can see those located at:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/post.asp?id=249876&method=reply&site=3
My contact email for readers is [email protected]
------------COMMENTS ON JW CONGREGATIONS COMPILED TO JANUARY 24, 2002:
ALASKA: Special Comment: Several persons in and outside Alaska have commented that there is too much class (rich-versus-poor) consciousness. ARIZONA: Shea Heights in Scottsdale: favoritism etc Tempe -- Wickenburg: infighting,jealousy, self-rightousness Tuscon -- , Andrew James Burns bled to death 8-29-98 at St Mary's Hospital CALIFORNIA: Tony Mendez died 6-6-95 at Arroyo Grande Community Hopsital after refusing blood transfusions + Anaheim: Rosario Rios Villagomez (51, husband Freddy) died after refusing a blood transfusion at Martin Luther King Hospital in early 1999 and a Watchtower representative blamed her gallstones instead of the bleeding+ Chino Hills & Chino North: many hypocrite pioneer "elderettes," gossiping, greed, nepotism, cliques Downey: Gary L Kreider (in late 40s) hanged himself 12-96 Fresno: Lenae Martinez (12) died 9-22-93 at Valley Children's Hospital agreeing with her parents in refusing blood transfusion Gridley: egotism, nepotism, judgmentalism, pedophilia* Oceanside - San Diego: Mira Mesa extreme nepotism separated out Santa Barbara North, South, & San Roque: soap opera-like intermarriage intrigues Santa Cruz North; -- also in Santa Barbara at Cottage Hospital Frank Blanchet (49) bled to death 5-20-98 from abdominal gunshot wound after refusing transfusions+ Stockton: John Alson (47) died August 1992 at San Joaquin General Hospital after refusing blood transfusion + Special Comment: This state probably has the most or greatest percentage of JW's in the United States. One comment (no proof) has been that two main leaders among ex-JWs groups in California are actually pro-Watchtower moles which is why activities there are kept relatively quiet. On the other hand, anti-cult internet work by Randall Watters (freeminds.org) has been especially intensive and effective
CONNECTICUTT: Danielson -- North Stonington -- Putnam -- FLORIDA: Rio Grande in Tampa (nice, loving) Special Comment: several of the larger JW congregations in Florida are said to have problems of gross misleadership. One hall in the middle of the state may have seceded in the 1980s ILLINOIS: Addison (favoritism, unwanted sexual advances) Canterbury in Markham: favoritism, snobbery Glen Ellen: fast-talking, backstabbing, Wicker Park in Chicago --, Congregation & area in Chicago: 2 females both bled to death giving birth late 1997 INDIANA: Kokomo: Walter Swisher (37) died 5-6-94 at home + Richmond (incompetence) KENTUCKY: Draffensville close to Paducah (pedophilia, harassment) * Special Comment: home to excellent anti-child molestation work by Bill Bowen who resides near Paducah; see his www.silentlambs.org website. MAINE: Augusta (pedophilia, Larry Baker convicted) * MASSACHUSETTS: Cambridge: lording it, arrogance East Southbridge: nepotism Oxford Congregation Sharon -- Worcester South -- Worcester North -- MICHIGAN: Detroit: Kevin Rattenbury (14) was injured by a car hitting his moped 8-6-91 & died after his parents George & Betty of Chesterfield Township refused an emergency blood transfusion at Mt. Clemens General Hospital + MISSISSIPPI: Natchez: Barbara Clay (78) died 11-6-97 of heart failure after refusing transfusion + MISSOURI: Cabool: pedophilia * Cameron: molestation/incest* Hannibal: greed, arrogance Richmond: pedophilia, Tim Gardner convicted & in Moberly maximum security * Sikeston: severe nepotism, greed Springfield area congregations: some very cold & greedy Special Comment: In the 1980s some elders donned sacks and protested outside a convention site. Some comments are that the many congregations have clear indications of cult spying, both visual and electronic NEVADA: near Yerington pedophilia - Daniel Stevens Fitzwater convicted *
NEW HAMPSHIRE: Hollis: pedophilia, Gregory Blackstock convicted * Wilton: pedophilia, Paul Berry convicted * Special Comment: Indications are that there may be additional lawsuits in and around the state of New Hampshire. Fundamentalists have also been more active here. NEW JERSEY: Bradly Beach: harboring molestor & shunning victim, nepotism Hawthorne: pedophilia * Hackensack: pedophilia * Hatboro on route 263 in Warminster: spying, coverups of affairs, nepotism Jackson: pedophilia/statutory rape incident * Nottingham: paranoia, harassment Pemberton/Browns Mills: greed Ramapo: pedophilia * Paterson: ignoring incest NEW MEXICO: Special Comment: This state may have one of the largest concentrations of Hispanic JWs. Therefore anti-cult work here needs to involve more usage of Spanish-language materials.
NEW YORK: Special Comment: This is of course the home of the Watchtower Society. More effective work needs done here. The Watchtower Society appears to have pretend ex-JWs who pretend to be mental cases doing much of the anti-Watchtower "anti-cult" work here to discourage more effect real anti-cult activity in and around its Bethel headquarters complex NORTH CAROLINA: Millbrook in Raleigh: class snobbery OHIO: Medina: insensitive verbal abuses Wellsville: registered with Stratton village for door-to-door sales then sued it Wadsworth OKLAHOMA: Tulsa: on 5-8-99 to save a newborn's life Hillcrest Medical Center had to go to court to save a newborn's life via blood transfusion while the parents, grandmother Marcella Buckland and JW Hospital Liason Committe person Matthew Suddock spoke against it OREGON: Eagle Point: business improprieties, dishonesty Rogue River, (business improprieties, dishonesty Shady Cove business improprieties, dishonesty PENNSYLVANIA: Hatboro --, Lansdale: molesters,* gossiping, abuse of power, favoritism Oreland just north of Philadelphia: fierce loyalty to Brooklyn, lying, gossiping, cliquish, arrogance, mishndling incest*, power hunger SOUTH CAROLINA: Andrews, gossiping, snobbery, mean-spirited, molestation, sex scandals Charleston (all 10 halls), Laurens: sex scandals, favortism SOUTH DAKOTA: Rapid City one the "coldest" ever, harshness, only poor pioneers became elders
TEXAS: Brady: gross incompetence San Antonio (poorer black-white-hispanic very loving Irving: on or about 12/06/96 Diego and Tanya Hernandez refused to allow surgeons at Children's Mercy Hospital to perform coorective heart surgery as it would include a blood transfusion in order to save the life of their week old daughter Valerie Marie - fate unknown Special comment: Many JW congregations in Texas (mostly middle-class up) appear to have a severe lack of love. Bonham, Texas, had a hall that seceded in the 1980s. Much anti-cult work is based in and done in Texas UTAH: 2 in the Ogden area: pedophilia with convictions** VIRGINIA: Petersburg (some drunkenness) Virginia Beach (very welcoming) WASHINGTON: Fall City, Washington State: unloving, cliques, anti-college, gossiping, greed North and South Lynnwood: gossiping, backstabbing Port Townsend: snobbery and overlording, greed Othello Washington Spanish: pedophilia, Manuel Beliz convicted & imprisoned at Walla Walla * Seattle Central: cold to outsiders) W VIRGINIA: East, South and West. corruption, child abuse,* favoritism, selfish Elk Valley of North Charleston: nepotism, pedophilia * Beckley Southglen: child abuse New River: child abuse,* Fidelity Group Inc insurance scam
Location?? Samuel Andrew Sigfrids died 8-28-2000 after not receiving blood following an accident and signing that he refused a blood while being given morphine, JWs outside the door urging his parents to refuse the treatment; parents disowned his brother for favoring the emergency treatment +
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WTS Dips into same Pot with Churches
by Amazing infidelity charitable gift fund: thanks to our donors, since 1992 we have made $2.5 billion in grants to over 56,000 charities throughout the u.s., making fidelity charitable gift fund one of america's leading public charities and #1 public grantmaker.
during the 1999-2000 fiscal year, our donors supported the following list of organizations:.
http://www300.charitablegift.org/annual/recipients/s2.shtml.
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Amazing, a scam was commented upon in regard to a Fidelity Group Inc involving New River, a congregation in West Virginia. I don't know if the name just coincidentally reminds of the Fidelity Charitable Trust or not. Anyway you may want to pursue this some more. The Fidelity Group scam reference was compiled in a string I started on this board called "Name Terrible JW Congregations" http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18785&page=7&site=3
and the specific item was:
"New River: child abuse,* Fidelity Group Inc insurance scam"
which was for W Virginia; and the entry for the whole state so far in its entirety reads:
W VIRGINIA: East, South and West. corruption, child abuse,* favoritism, selfish Elk Valley of North Charleston: nepotism, pedophilia * Beckley Southglen: child abuse New River: child abuse,* Fidelity Group Inc insurance scam
Maybe Kent or Randy have more information on if this "Fidelity" thing ties the insurance and charities stuff together?
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WTS Dips into same Pot with Churches
by Amazing infidelity charitable gift fund: thanks to our donors, since 1992 we have made $2.5 billion in grants to over 56,000 charities throughout the u.s., making fidelity charitable gift fund one of america's leading public charities and #1 public grantmaker.
during the 1999-2000 fiscal year, our donors supported the following list of organizations:.
http://www300.charitablegift.org/annual/recipients/s2.shtml.
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Gave them money to do what?
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Silentlambs: Modern-day Folk Hero?
by Derrick inhe's the "knight in shining armor" for many young ones across the globe, who were spared from predators moving in for the kill.
who was instrumental amongst jehovah's witnesses in chasing these monsters off?
it should have been brothers in the watchtower society.
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This same thing was on another thread to which I replied the young women were not raped as you presume, Norm, but made servants, God slew but will also resurrect these people (Jn 3:16); so if you want to call God WICKED for slaying, Norm, then will you also judge him FAIR & merciful because of his provision to resurrect them? Repeating your own words just above, will YOU try to "wiggle out" of this?