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anewperson
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Hellfire, God's name & the trinity?
by moman ininvariably, when ever i talk to a dub, i get the same pre-programmed response, "what other religion exposes hell fire, uses god's name jehovah, and & refutes the trinity?.
i have my answers ready, but what do you say?
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Hellfire, God's name & the trinity?
by moman ininvariably, when ever i talk to a dub, i get the same pre-programmed response, "what other religion exposes hell fire, uses god's name jehovah, and & refutes the trinity?.
i have my answers ready, but what do you say?
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anewperson
Which say hellfire is not literal, use Jehovah/Yahweh/Jah for God's name, non-trinity:
Christadelphians but some of them have cultic behavior and all believe Satan is just an idea; maybe 40,000
The various Bible Students although many to most show the same idolizing of founder Charles Taze Russell that JWs show the current Governing Body men; maybe 10-15,000
Some of the Free Christians movement such as Jah Christians (since 1998) who however emphasize reasonableness, Christian freedom and active LOVE more than sameness of beliefs; maybe 1,000 [email protected][email protected]
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First Post
by DINKY inhey guys!
i've been lurking for 2 yrs and finally decided to post.
seems like y'all need some new blood around here.
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anewperson
Welcome, mate.
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"No Silence Of The Lambs"-Paducah Sun
by silentlambs inhttp://www.paducahsun.com/cgi-bin/view.cgi?/200202/08+07ur_religion.html+20020208+religion.
no silence of the lambs .
web site for pedophile victims provides support, opportunity to share stories .
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anewperson
He hasn't Disassociated because that would benefit the Watchtower Society since currently he is technically a JW in good standing so all JWs can freely watch the upcoming Dateline expose as it will not have any so-called apostates on it. After it airs he will be free to do as he pleases.
Let's see. Didn't Henry mention Ted the man JARASC who is Henschel's right hand enforcer of the no-blood-even-in-death-causing-emergencies-so-that-people-die, as well as the child-rape-coverup policy?
And Dan SYDLIK who has also backed the same no-win, destructive policies, and is well-loved by Carey Barber and other fellow Gov Body men while he oversees the Bethelite boys but has not always been so loved by his sweet younger wife who is said to have dallied for attention with a front desk man who got transferred out to hush it up?
And then there was that most congenial FREDDIE FRANZ who was noted for those rigid harsh policies as well as sometimes traipsing about in his pyjamas during the middle of the day at Bethel while being the Watchtower Society's number one Bible "scholar," right?
And Leo GREENLEES about whom a huge string or two and other writings exist testifying that he himself was a child molestor and a homosexual, and yet whom Freddie Franz and his fellow Gov Body members did not disfellowship but took off that Body long enough to ship him down to fun-and-game in New Orleans, isn't that also true?
And Ewart or Edwart CHITTY who is also documented as a homosexual member of the Gov Body never disfellowshipped.
RIGHT, HENRY?
Come on, Henry, Mr Watchtower. Come back in here and speak up, Henry if not both a coward and a liar. The plain truth is that the Watchtower Society's own Gov Body members are destroying the Watchtower Society. But you would prefer to pick at a MAN who stands up and slugs it out for the sake of raped children, meaning you and your ilk are still gutless regardless.
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Blood Card Scans for 2001, 2002
by AlanF inhere are scans of the "advance medical directive" (blood card) for 2001 and 2002. also shown is the "identity card" for minors for 2002.. note that the watchtower society cancelled distribution of the 2002 cards, and instructed that jws use the 2001 card until further notice.. card for 2001, page 2:.
card for 2002, page 2:.
card for 2002, page 1:.
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anewperson
It means they fear a wrongful death class action lawsuit but even more fear the wrath of ultra-conservatives. Also Henschel's appointees and he hold power for he has always been deadset even against the now established usage of liver and other such transplants. They got to believing the lie of their own misinterpretation by Rutherford in 1945 and are now trapped in it. If AJWRB were not the sham that it now is it would get up a class action suit.
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They did not even use the library!
by GermanXJW inmir, a participant in german board http://www.infolink-forum.de reports that he contacted the dag-hammarskjold-library and got the following reply from [email protected].
1. can anybody - following a request and explanation as set out above - use.
the library?
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anewperson
Porkie, we can prove "the UN librarians say there is no proof the Watchtower Society ever even used the UN library repository" that German JW has noted, which is as good as the same thing.
WTS: you lose again!
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Pot calling the kettle black----WT-Catholic abuse
by silentlambs inlisted below are a few of the quotes offered by wt about the terrible abuse problem in the catholic church.
i missed the last qoute from the june 2001 issue of awake!
i wonder now if they will give equal time to themselves?.
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anewperson
The Watchtower men are really saying "wait on Jehovah, meaning us, to do something - if we care to anyways. And definitely don't go to the police when a child gets raped because, well, you're out of line if you do. Better shut up your mouth if you want to have access to your family and friends who are JWs. Do you get it?!"
Well, we sure do get it. You, the Watchtower men, are cowards. Cowards do not inherit the Kingdom. Maybe jail cells, but not God's approval. How dare these perverts think they can "refine" us. They need the courts to refine their wicked thinking.
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JW CONVICTED/JAILED FOR STALKING ANOTHER JW FAMILY
by MadApostate infor the district of massachusetts.
" this conduct forms count i of the indictment issued against nedd in this case ("interstate threats" in violation of 18 u.s.c.
875(c) - interstate threats .
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anewperson
Mad's post provides moooooooooo-choh food for thought.
Yes, they often use the name or word "Jehovah" as a synonym for themselves. For example "wait on Jehovah" to take action is equivalent to "wait on us" to do something.
As it's been explained "things don't just happen, we have to make them happen." In other words they do things they "think" pleases the real Jehovah who is up in heaven then say well, Jehovah did it.
Nutty, but that's the "logic" of a cult group. This leads to all kinds of diseased thinking and doings, imposing a danger on rank-and-file as well as human society in general.
How so? Well, seeing themselves as the doers of Jehovah's will, even though He Himself doesn't speak to them, Circuits Overseers and their subordinate elders put "His" (actually "Their") will even above "man's will," and "man" includes governments or laws.
If a C.O. wants to know want a husband does in bed with his own wife, no sweat. Wire them up. "Hey, man, it's Jehovah's day. All things get laid naked." And that's a dangerous kind of mis-reasoning.
So see the danger? Again, thanks for the post, Mad. Nice cow icon. Very moooooooooooooving.
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Reply to James Bonnell
by silentlambs inas some of you may have noted james bonnell the local po here made a comment in the local paper.
today i recieved this response in an email, i thought it was worth sharing.. silentlambs.
the following is the exact email quoted below:.
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anewperson
It appears Mr Bonnell (won't call him a "brother") believes molesting a child is not as wicked as an adult raping an adult. I'd argue it's even worse. Shame on you, Mr Bonnell! (on the other hand should we even dignify him with the word Mr/mister?)
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Is christmas christian?
by master chief inyeh i was wondering if christmas was christian because i was told it was rooted in pagan celebrations not do with christ but to do with false gods etc but is this really so,think about it arent the days supposed to be named after gods and isnt the wedding ring pagan also so should we then not celebrate are wedding anniversarys then what about birthdays i think the birth of your child is something to celebrate dont you.
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anewperson
CHRISTMAS -- THE REAL TRUTH: More recent scholarly studies prove that the Christmas Tree is from the Tree of Eternal Life (Ge 2:9, 3:22) depicted in church plays of the Middle Ages, not Luther or Druid tree-worshippers, although outdated articles for example in World Book Encyclopedia still repeat the legends and Luther may have originated the use of candles attached to Christmas trees.
The giant cedars of Lebanon used to build the temple at Jerusalem themselves had bright green needles with tan-colored cones, and John 10:22-3 says Christ visited the successor temple during the Jewish "Festival of Dedication," namely Channukah, during winter. Also called the Festival of Lights, it had singing, the carrying of tree branches, homes filled with lights and joy. Celebrated 8 days each time, its date varies yearly but the first Channukah was December 25, making it an even more likely source for the December 25 celebration than Rome's Saturnalia which came later in the month. Some believe Christ was actually born about Oct 1, which would mean Mary conceived 9 months previously, that is about or on December 25. Indeed count 9 months backwards from October to see for yourself. As to Santa Claus, no, he did not come from a vaguely known Asian god who descended chimneys to bring gifts or Siberian wizards but instead the Christian Nicholaus in Turkey in the Middle Ages who had white hair, red robes and each Dec 6 night anonymously shoved gift pouches with gold through windows of homes with poor daughters so that they would not be sold into slavery and prostitution because too poor to pay a marriage dowery.
In fact Christ himself was wrongly attacked as a "glutton and drunkard" simply for believing in a good time (Mt 11:19). He once turned water to wine at a wedding party in Cana (Jn 2:1-11), told followers to invite needy persons to parties (Lu 14:13-14), and accepted gifts including expensive nard oil. As with Nicholas later, Revelation 1:14 even describes the resurrected Christ's hair as like "white wool" or "snow," his cloak red or scarlet-colored (red with a bluish tinge--Mt 27:28), and white symbolizes purity. True, all that just coincidentally reminds one of Santa Claus, but do note that the earliest Christians enjoyed balanced merriment at "love feasts" (Jude 12), the angels celebrated Christ's birth (Lu 2), and Job's children had enjoyed birthdays (Job 1:3, 3:1, 3).
Most Christmas trees are topped by a star remindful of the Christ star. According to John Mosley's The Christmas Star (1985) from September 3 BC to June 2 BC Jupiter, known as "the royal planet" passed Regulus "the king star" in the constellation Leo, reversed then passed again, turned and passed a 3rd time. By June 17 Jupiter and Regulus were so close they seemed a single star when seen by the eye. This then is one intriguing possible source for the Christ star in the Bible.
Before Christ's birth unspecified men called "magi" in Biblical Greek came from the East first to Jerusalem (Mt 2:1-2) then went on to find the Christ child in Bethlehem. Some translations render the word magi as astrologers because its root like the word "magician" is linked to the idea of being a person of great might but although magi may refer to people who try to predict the future by observing the stars, using omens and consulting spirit beings as forbidden by God at Deuteronomy 18:10-12, it can also refer to people who worked to predict future weather patterns, good times to plant and harvest, buy and sell crops, etc via careful observation of the clouds, stars and other natural phenomena and with very little to absolutely no special focus on the occult at all. So for solid reasons some Bible translations continue to translate magi as simply "wise men" or "stargazers" and this is also supported by the Bible’s positively saying they brought gifts for Christ then also protected him by leaving without telling his location to King Herod who wickedly desired to slay him. The oldest traditions of oral and written nature have called the wise men "kings," and Mesopotamia (Chaldea/Babylonia) did have sub-kings ruling city-states, often with the best education then possible.
Those who kept their families from celebrating Christmas should not be condemned if they acted out of lack of accurate knowledge in the past but also no one should claim that those who do celebrate the birth of Christ are out of harmony with the Bible even as the preceding information proves. Please read and meditate on what Paul writes at Colossians 2:16.... The writers are part of a nonprofit mostly house-and-computer-based fellowship called Jah Christians, part of the international Free Christians movement which directly emails the Free Christians Newsletter for free to nearly persons in all belief systems: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jahchristian, or contact jahchristian@y... for a free subscription today.