Posts by cyber-sista

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WHAT'S NEW? DOORSTEP BIBLE STUDIES!

by stillAwitness in

so i'm in service this morning and the young sister i was working with had what they call now a "doorstep bible study" .

its been encouraged by the fds that if one has a regular return visit with an interested one that one can hold a bible study by having them read one or two paragraphs out of the require brochure and ask the questions right at their doorstep.. i've never actually seen it done and boy let me tell you it was the most awkard, ridiculous thing i have ever seen!

the poor sister (who was nothing older thatn 15) is standing at the door having this grown woman read a paragraph out of the require brochure, and after having her ansewring the question and read a scripture she then then tells her she'll see her next week!

cyber-sista

these door step studies have been going on for a few years now. I remember talks given about having these studies and how it was best not to really tell the householder that it was a study, but just to tell them you would like to share some information with them and then keep it brief--about 10 minutes or so. The thing was you could still call it a study even though the person on the other side of the door didn't actually know that they were having a study. Looks like a way to pump up the numbers on the bible studies to me. It always felt a bit sneaky to me. I never had one, but the ones I saw conducted were with people who didn't know how to close the door. Seriously, there was an alcoholic woman--a woman who was retarded and a few others who just stood there staring blankly while the pioneer sister rambled on not even taking note of the look on the faces of the ones she was speaking at. It was actually very sad and pathetic as these people truly did need some help, but it wasn't going to come from the WT.

cybs

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"THIS IS JEHOVAH'S HOUSE..." GAG!

by stillAwitness in

some of the kids my age in my hall are just an insult to my generation.

at the service meeting last week i was talking with one and we were near the front of the hall and there were a bunch of little kids running and jumping around the stage.

she goes: "what a shame.

cyber-sista

JWs can be so uptight about some things, though I agree with Willow on this one that it is appropriate to teach kids manners, but then again these poor kids were probably up late and anxious from sitting all those hours and needed to burn off some steam.

I remember one morning when the sisters met to go out in service and no brother came so when it was time to conduct a service meeting the sister were in search for a head covering--one sister said the only thing I have in my possesion is a clean diaper--she was halfway joking, but "sister with the stick up her butt" came unglued. That would be an insult to Jehovah she said angryly! At that she got up in a huff and steamed out of the KH and didn't even go out in service that day. There is a JW term for it--righteous indignation or being jealous for Jehovah. I think it was just an excuse to let off steam.

cybs

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My response from the CCoJW inre UN/DPI

by AuldSoul in

cyber-sista

The last paragraph on page one is a perfect example of the WT double think double speak policy. On one hand they say the goverment and Un are wild beasts under Satanic--on the other hand they say we need to respect these ones and recognize the good works they do.

???????????? How does this balance out in the JW brain? No wonder mental problems run rampant in the Org.

cybs

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BeepBeep Needs to Know About 1975!!!

by SWALKER in

i know that many of you have the information discussing the watchtower's view on this and why so many thought it was going to be the beginning of armageddon and the mass exodus from the org when nothing happened.

i remember it very well and my mom telling me not to get my hopes up because she had been looking for the ancient worthies to appear for years at the assemblies and that never happened.

then they changed their prophesy on that too!!!

cyber-sista

I wonder how many faithful JWs sold their homes and possessions and gave all their money to the WT at that time? I would live to see the WT financial reports for the few years leading up to 1975. What else would truly loyal JWs have done with their money?

cybs

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My response from the CCoJW inre UN/DPI

by AuldSoul in

cyber-sista

The thing is I remember all those venomous WT articles written about the UN. How they have been themselves in the place of God and how blasphemous, satanic the UN is, blah blah blah...

On the first page of this letter you can see how they are trying to seduce the reader and make the reader feel at ease-the second page does mention some UN references in the WT, but doesn't state exactly where.

Another great WT work of masterful deceptions.. cybs

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Beware is this a new Elder tatic to get you?

by skyman in

i have a friend that was dumb enough to allow two elders in his house at the same time to talk to him, he let them in.

i have told him over and over again never to talk to two elders at the same time.

i'll get to the point.

cyber-sista

*** Watchtower 1973 May 1 p.280 Baptizing Follows Discipling ***

...If you feel the same about serving Jehovah God and taking Christ's yoke upon you, we suggest that you consider the following two questions, which are asked of candidates for baptism:
(1) Have you repented of your sins and turned around, recognizing yourself before Jehovah God as a condemned sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the Father, through his Son Jesus Christ?
(2) On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit?
[Emphasis Added]

*** Watchtower 1985 June 1 p.30 Subjecting Ourselves to Jehovah by Dedication ***

Decision Based on Knowledge

[…]
At the close of the convention baptism talk, the baptism candidates will be in position to answer with depth of understanding and heartfelt appreciation two simple questions that serve to confirm that they recognize the implications of following Christ's example. The first question is:
On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?
The second is:
Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?
Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism.
[Emphasis Added]
____________________________________
So those baptized before 1985 dedicated their lives to do god's will as he reveals to you through Jesus Christ.
After 1985 the organization rules...
hope that helps,
cybs

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Beware is this a new Elder tatic to get you?

by skyman in

i have a friend that was dumb enough to allow two elders in his house at the same time to talk to him, he let them in.

i have told him over and over again never to talk to two elders at the same time.

i'll get to the point.

cyber-sista

What were the old vows and what are the new ones? Can someone enlighten me?
I'm pretty sure my husband was baptized before 1985.
Chrystal

There is some info on this site somewhere--or maybe on the quotes website under baptism. I will try and look it up later if no one gets to it before me. cybs

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Beware is this a new Elder tatic to get you?

by skyman in

i have a friend that was dumb enough to allow two elders in his house at the same time to talk to him, he let them in.

i have told him over and over again never to talk to two elders at the same time.

i'll get to the point.

cyber-sista

And I will also bring up the fact that I was baptized before the baptismal vows were changed in 1985, so I am no longer under the old contract. This may not get me anywhere, but it will get the elders to look up the information on the vows being changed and maybe it will make them think...

cybs

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Beware is this a new Elder tatic to get you?

by skyman in

i have a friend that was dumb enough to allow two elders in his house at the same time to talk to him, he let them in.

i have told him over and over again never to talk to two elders at the same time.

i'll get to the point.

cyber-sista

That has been my thought. I have planned to say something of this sort:

" If you make any kind of announcement about me I will view this as slander and a personal threat -- and I will personally sue the elders involved and charge them with emotional and mental abuse and family endangerment, as I will no longer be able to communicate with my JW sister after an announcement of this sort is made." (I will also tell them I have a hot shit lawyer cousin who would be happy to take the case)

Makes me mad to think that I would even need to say this sort of thing, but I don't feel like rolling over and letting them run over me either.

cybs

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Hospital Liason committe--another deception?

by cyber-sista in

i posted this on the wt no blood expose topic, but thought i would start it under a separate topic, because i am curious to know what experiences others had with the so called "wt hospital liason committee.

while i was still a jw one of my close family members was bleeding and in need of a blood transfusion .

like good little jws we immediately called the elders in the hall that were in charge of the hospital blood liason committe thing hoping they could help us with the situation.

cyber-sista

Here's the article--I tried the WT link to the site of this film awards association, but it read as an invalid or discontinued link.

For Immediate Release
June 13, 2001

Transfusion-alternatives video takes top award

"Will existing viruses mutate and produce disease? There's no reason to believe that they won't," warns Professor Howard L. Zauder* in discussing blood transfusions. Professor Donat R. Spahn^ adds, "Side effects include not only the transmission of viral diseases that everybody talks about, like HIV or hepatitis B or C, but also new viruses . . . that are prevalent in the donor population. Also, parasitic diseases are more and more transmitted via blood transfusions."

These two specialists and over 100,000 other medical professionals find compelling reasons to consider alternatives to blood transfusions. In the video Transfusion-Alternative Strategies—Simple, Safe, Effective, renowned medical professionals contrast the effectiveness of these methods with older procedures. This 28-minute program received the highest recognition when audiovisual producers from around the world gathered on Friday, June 8, 2001, for the 34th annual U.S. International Film and Video Festival awards presentations. Winning productions from 33 nations were honored at the Marriott Downtown Hotel in Chicago.

Transfusion-Alternative Strategies took the Gold Camera award in the category of Medicine, Health: Current Issues. Accepting the award on behalf of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society was Director J. R. Brown, who stated: "It was a courageous step for a religious organization to undertake this medical video project. But it was worth it to them to get the information right, to get the experts involved."

The competition also granted the Silver Screen award to the same video in two categories. These were Medicine, Health: Professional - Educational; and Medicine, Health: Research Documentation.

The competition is one of the world's leading events devoted to the selection and recognition of outstanding business, television, documentary, industrial and informational productions, with 1,500 entries received from 33 countries this year. First place "Gold Camera" awards were presented to 111 productions, while 120 received second place "Silver Screen" awards throughout the competition's numerous categories. England accounted for the most entries received from outside the U.S., followed by Canada, Australia, Sweden and Germany.

A complete U.S. state-by-state and international country-by-country list of gold and silver winners is available on the festival's Web site at: www.filmfestawards.com. The festival is one of two international competitions operated under the auspices of The United States Festival Association.

* Professor Emeritus of Anesthesiology and Pharmacology, State University of New York

^ Institute of Anesthesiology, University Hospital, Lausanne, Switzerland