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  Do those leaving a legacy leave it for their congregation or the World Wide Work?

  by truthseeker in

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  i'm trawling through the uk charity listings for congregations, and of those who added additional financial information, i am seeing a lot of congregations receive legacies.

  in the years 2015 and 2016, a lot of money left to the congregation was donated to the world wide work/ibsa.. i realize the letter from 2015 was read out asking congregations to donate excess reserves to the branch office but is this what the testator really wanted?.

  consider gloucster kingsholme congregation.

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  While there can be certain conditions before the beneficiary receives a gift, once that gift is transferred to the beneficiary, it is no longer under the control of the testator, their will or their executor. Once given to a beneficiary, the gift then belongs to the beneficiary who can do with it as they wish. If the gift is to be used in a particular way specified by the testator, that may be a moral issue for the beneficiary, not necessarily a legal one.

  However, wills can specify the timing of the gift (when a beneficiary reaches a specified age). - Steve
  

  In this country, that would be called a Trust. The gift would remain within a trust created by the testator or their will, and under the control of a Trustee whose job is to administer the trust as specified by the testator.
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  the watchtower is starting to crumble

  by pepperheart in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

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  Too bad everyone here is in disagreement. Dammit! Can't we all get along?
  

  But unlike the Kingdom Hall, we can have a discussion, express our personal opinions which are often not always the same, agree to disagree, and yet, we usually can still 'get along'.
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  Will The Watchtower Ever Give Up Mandatory Shunning Of DF'd Members?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i think the wt will never give up this practice unless forced to by the courts, even if they are financially failing terribly they will keep it because the moment they do get rid of it the whole thing will collapse even faster and they know it(or afraid of it happening).

  they have painted themselves into a corner of financial ruin.

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  I agree that elimination of DF'ing is not likely to happen.

  Even if specific wording us not used, WT have a long history of saying things without actually stating so verbally, and even less so in print. Any JW that has been a JW for a length of time, fully understand WT's indirect statements.

  While there are some JWs that don't want to shun that will look for any technical reasons not to shun those they don't wish to, there are many other JWs who will shun anyone, including their own family members, based on nothing more than hearsay.
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  the watchtower is starting to crumble

  by pepperheart in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

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  with no threat of shunning id be free to speak my mind on the shit.
  

  Unfortunately, shunning does not always need to be dictated for it to occur. People can shun as a matter of choice, even if not 'required' by WT.

  Not only does WT have a history of saying things without directly saying it, people also take exception when something they don't like is said about something they hold dear or wish to believe in, whether those beliefs are justified and valid or not.
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  the watchtower is starting to crumble

  by pepperheart in

  1. watchtower
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  for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

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  Reform ain't likely to happen. Since he was a GB member and nephew of the WT's Oracle and President, Ray Franz likely had the greatest potential to affect reform, but consider how he was treated when he tried.

  WT's liability for future child abuse could be immediately reduced or eliminated, but they refuse to invoke policy changes that are suggested by outside lawyers, lawmakers or review panels such as the Australian RC.
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  the watchtower is starting to crumble

  by pepperheart in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

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  _Morpheus: I agree with your reasoning in your first paragraph.

  I don't take it personally as I've experienced numerous decades as an active JW and was always astounded when JWs choose to ignore obvious contradictions, even within presentations from the platform, never mind in private conversation.
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  the watchtower is starting to crumble

  by pepperheart in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

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  JWs have no culture of contributing to their organisation.
  

  By culture, I expect you mean history.

  If so, how did WT not only exist for the past 120+ years, but grow to become a very wealthy religion and publishing empire?

  What do you call JWs who give their productive years to offering their lives to bethel service with no reward or guarantee of being cared for in their later years?

  What do you call JWs who leave their families, to not have children, to volunteer their lives in missionary service?

  What do you call JWs who give numerous hours each month to preaching door to door at their own expense?
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  the watchtower is starting to crumble

  by pepperheart in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

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  'Resources' is an undefined entity.

  Resources' could be:

  Translators

  Working space

  Equipment

  Internet bandwidth

  Time

  Money

  All of the above

  Something else?
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  the watchtower is starting to crumble

  by pepperheart in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for the december monthly broadcast instead of jws from around the world waving to you and items of how to shun people we will have to make do with repeats of of old gilead videos that have been on the jw website for a good while.

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  Unfortunately, WT is not transparent with financial information never mind other data. It's not like other corporations which publish and offer a yearly (and quarterly) audited financial reports to the public.

  Cut backs and branch closures in themselves do not prove much. WT has adopted the new way of distributing information in the 21st century, as has been adopted by numerous other organizations

  Why print, bind, warehouse and ship paper when the same information can be distributed inexpensively to their target audience, virtually any where in the world through a digital pipeline. Of course, since so many people were utilized in the production and distribution of paper literature, those people and numerous additional support staff are no longer needed.

  With digital, the printing costs are transferred to the target audience (JWs) since their audience who want to read that information, then need a computer, tablet or other device. If any of the target audience want a hard copy, they need to arrange printing to paper at their own expense.

  WT currently have little new information to offer, unlike when F Franz was their 'oracle'. WT find themselves presenting the same, over and over again so they may as well present once and use that info for a longer time period, all while claiming 'simplification', growth and speeding up of the warning work.

  Since most JWs with devices won't bother printing and keeping paper, changes to doctrine are easily performed to the online master document, which will immediately update info utilized by the majority of JWs.
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  Really? All black decor on the Assembly Hall stage.

  by longgone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've seen some depressing color schemes at the kingdom and assembly halls in my lifetime, but this one could be the worst.. a family member just sent me an email to tell me she had nice day at the assembly.

  she attached a picture of the stage to show me a friend of hers who had a part.

  other than the platform itself which had cream carpeting it was nothing but various shades of black!

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  Maybe it is required that all of those presenting parts, all wear black suits. This way, their bodies blend into the background so that they effectively become, talking heads which are floating in space.

  Similar to Famous People Players.