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Letter to Greg Stafford

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this is a letter i wrote to mr. stafford concerning a debate he had with dr. james white on the issue of "is jesus god or a god".

i would like as many opinios as possible.. .

hello mr. stafford,.

You did read wrong. Noone said (at least I didn't say) that we should not love ourselves. What I'm trying to stress is that love is expressed when one shows it to another. If it is just you in a place where there is nothing. Just a black area, and you don't see or hear anything and that is how you live for 1 yr. and you don't know anything or anybody, who would you love? You can't say yourself because you don't know what love is until after you love someone or something else first. I was stresseing that God is LOVE and that being LOVE is unchanging in His charachter. He has and always will be love. The point is that God The Father, could not have been without God the Son at any point in time or else the Father would have to love Himself and that is not what we are taught. I say, before one can love oneself he must first love another.

Daniel

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Letter to Greg Stafford

by Bostero in

this is a letter i wrote to mr. stafford concerning a debate he had with dr. james white on the issue of "is jesus god or a god".

i would like as many opinios as possible.. .

hello mr. stafford,.

Bostero

Faraon,
You are doing eisogesis here in Deut 32 8-9. Reading into the test that simply is not there. Moses here is reminding the Jews of when God seperated the nations and took to Himself a particular person to make His nation of Israel that through that nation the Messiah might come and through that nation all the world might be saved. There is nowhere in scripture that says Israel was given to the Father. It was always His and He separated a portion that He might use to bring His son through.
Now you mentioned ElElion. Do you mean Elohim From Gen 1:1? That is another name for God. which means strong one. Yahweh, or Jehova, means "I am the one who is", these are names that are given to him, or that He calls Himself. Now the bible says in too many places that that the world and the heavens and everything in them was created by God, Jehovah, ONE GOD The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. So if He created it, it could not have been given to Him like he didn't own it.
Gen 12:1 Now the LORD said to Abram, "Go forth from your country, And from your relatives And from your father's house, To the land which I will show you;
Gen 12:2 And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing;
Gen 12:3 And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed."

Daniel

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Letter to Greg Stafford

by Bostero in

this is a letter i wrote to mr. stafford concerning a debate he had with dr. james white on the issue of "is jesus god or a god".

i would like as many opinios as possible.. .

hello mr. stafford,.

Bostero

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Letter to Greg Stafford

by Bostero in

this is a letter i wrote to mr. stafford concerning a debate he had with dr. james white on the issue of "is jesus god or a god".

i would like as many opinios as possible.. .

hello mr. stafford,.

Bostero

Hello SS,
I still don't understand what your point is, nor what you are saying. It is better to write a longer post with more detail than a sentence that has no meaning and saying that I'm crazy and that I need a shrink. What I said is simple, there is nowhere in the Bible where one is told to love oneself. You can ask or command your wife to love you, but you your self are not told to love yourself in the bible. In other words, I can tell my wife and daughters to love me but I'm not telling myself to love myself. Real love is shown when one loves another. That is what love is. John 15:13 "Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends." Is there one single Bible verse where one is commanded to love oneself? John 15:17 "This I command you, that you love one another."

Daniel

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Letter to Greg Stafford

by Bostero in

this is a letter i wrote to mr. stafford concerning a debate he had with dr. james white on the issue of "is jesus god or a god".

i would like as many opinios as possible.. .

hello mr. stafford,.

Bostero

Hello

Carmel, I'm sorry but I don't understand what you're saying nor do I understand your point. My answer to what question?

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Letter to Greg Stafford

by Bostero in

this is a letter i wrote to mr. stafford concerning a debate he had with dr. james white on the issue of "is jesus god or a god".

i would like as many opinios as possible.. .

hello mr. stafford,.

Bostero

Dan,

I realized it after my brother pointed it out to me. He said to me, "Is that the point you are trying to prove, that you are not trying to prove a point?" He confused me but I got the message. He knows more logic than me. Anyway I had already sent the letter so it was too late.

Daniel

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Letter to Greg Stafford

by Bostero in

this is a letter i wrote to mr. stafford concerning a debate he had with dr. james white on the issue of "is jesus god or a god".

i would like as many opinios as possible.. .

hello mr. stafford,.

Bostero

Saint,
We first learn what love is by loving someone or something else. We learn this growing up. We would never just love ourself without having nothing or noone to love that we may even know what the term is. They Bible in numerous places tells us Deut 6:5 "You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might. And also Mar 12:30 AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.' And in Luk 10:27 And he answered, "YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF." In all places We are told to love God with everything we have and more. We are told to love our neighbor as ourself in the sence that we need to put others before ourselves to I higher importance. Is there one place in the Bible where we are told to love ourseves? The Bible is the greatest psychiatric book.

Daniel

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Letter to Greg Stafford

by Bostero in

this is a letter i wrote to mr. stafford concerning a debate he had with dr. james white on the issue of "is jesus god or a god".

i would like as many opinios as possible.. .

hello mr. stafford,.

Bostero

Peaceful, first of all, I said Isaiah 9:6, not Isaiah 6:9. But if it was a typo on your part I'll still say, where did you get that Isaiah 9:6 is not about Jesus? Who is it about then, Jehovah? If you say yes it is Jehovah, then I'll say good job. You've done your hermeneutics. Now remember, I believe it was Jehovah, but maybe not in the sence you might think. You see, who else was "BORN" in this world, and was given the title, Wonderful Counselor, "MIGHTY GOD", ETERNAL FATHER", and "Prince of Peace". Was it the "Father" that was born? If not then who else other Jesus was given those magnificent titles? Please give Bible references with a good, interpretation, reason and logic.

Daniel

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Letter to Greg Stafford

by Bostero in

this is a letter i wrote to mr. stafford concerning a debate he had with dr. james white on the issue of "is jesus god or a god".

i would like as many opinios as possible.. .

hello mr. stafford,.

Bostero

Hello all,
This is a letter I wrote to Mr. Stafford concerning a debate he Had with Dr. James White on the issue of "Is Jesus God or a god". I would like as many opinios as possible.

Hello Mr. Stafford,
>
> I just had a couple of questions concerning the debate you had with Dr. JAmes White. First of all I would like to tell you that I'm not trying to argue or prove a point. I am actually a sincere seeker just looking for answers and like it was put on the debate, "searching for the TRUTH."
>
> My mother in-law is a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses and we discuss issues all the time. I've been raised a "Trinitarian" so unfortunately it is impossible to address the issue w/out having a preconceived notion that the trinity is real. So I would like answers to help figure out if I'm wrong in my belief or if I right.
>
> During the debate you brought up John 17:3 and affirmed that Jesus said "...you are the only true God." Now it has been established that Jesus did say this. We all know that. The hermeneutics is in question however. In other words, the text is not the problem because the text has not changed. The problem is with the interpreter. Now if Jesus said that the Father is the only true God(with the word only meaning specifically what it means, no other) than what kind of God or a god is Jesus. To say that there is only one true Almighty God and other small true gods or god is unwarranted in the scripture. It is not allowed in that text. It says that the only true God is the father, than by inescapable logic, the son who is another god, cannot also be a true God or god, therefore must be a false God or god. A reasoning that I'm sure we both disagree with.
>
> Another point or question that I have has to do with the immutability of God. We agree that God is immutable. He does not change. He does not add characteristics to Himself because if He did he would be changing. (This is not the same as the incarnation. That we can discuss in another time) We know that God loves because He is love. In His nature there is love. Is it possible for someone to love something that does not exist. In other words, can you love nothing? No! How can you love something that is not there for you to love. If at one point in time, the Father was without the Son, what then did He love? Himself? We love our self and that is a character of sin. Also we love ourselves but we first learn what love is by loving someone or something else, like our parents as children. So the question is, who did the Father love when there was no Son?
>
> I assume or presuppose that you believe as well as I do, that in Isaiah 9:6 it is referring to the Son, or the Logos. I also acknowledge that you believe that Mighty God referring to the Logos is not the same as Almighty God when referring to the Father. So I don't want to ask you about that because I know that you acknowledge that Jesus is a "Mighty god" but not "Almighty God". But what I do want to ask you, what does "eternal Father" mean to you in that same verse. Does it mean that The Logos is the Father? I don't believe you would say that. So what does "eternal Father" mean. We know that yes, the Logos is a "Mighty God or god" He is the "Wonderful Counselor" He is the "Prince of Peace". But now we need to know what "Eternal Father" is. Does it mean that He is the father of eternity? If this is the case, by definition and logical reasoning and conclusion, then the Son must be before eternity (hence father) therefore be himself eternal.
>
> For now my last question deals with asking you a personal question. Are you a Jehovah's Witness or are you just defending what they believe but are not actually a Witness? The reason for me asking, is that my mother in law has told me that Jehovah's Witnesses are not permitted to debate or argue or try to win arguments like one might do in a formal debate. Also I was under the impression from what my mother in law told me and what I've read in "The Watchtower Magazine" that Jehovah's Witnesses are not permitted or should not read lite> rature that is contrary or against the watchtower. That doing so, is like reading or looking at pornography. Also, one who is a Jehovah's Witness is not allowed to put out literature unless it has been written by the governing body or of someone who works in the watchtower. And also that the literature that is acceptable for study are the ones that are published or written by the watchtower. Granted I may be wrong because things might have changed from when I last spoke to my mother in law.
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> Thank You In Advance For Your Reply

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Greg Stafford's Debate James White

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this is a letter that i have written to mr. greg stafford.

i would like as many opinions as possible.

the letter has to do with a debate that mr. stafford had with dr. james white on the issue of wether jesus is god or a god.. .

Bostero

Hello all,
This is a letter that I have written to Mr. Greg Stafford. I would like as many opinions as possible. The letter has to do with a debate that Mr. Stafford had with Dr. James White on the issue of wether Jesus is God or a god.

>
> I just had a couple of questions concerning the debate you had with Dr. JAmes White. First of all I would like to tell you that I'm not trying to argue or prove a point. I am actually a sincere seeker just looking for answers and like it was put on the debate, "searching for the TRUTH."
>
> My mother in-law is a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses and we discuss issues all the time. I've been raised a "Trinitarian" so unfortunately it is impossible to address the issue w/out having a preconceived notion that the trinity is real. So I would like answers to help figure out if I'm wrong in my belief or if I right.
>
> During the debate you brought up John 17:3 and affirmed that Jesus said "...you are the only true God." Now it has been established that Jesus did say this. We all know that. The hermeneutics is in question however. In other words, the text is not the problem because the text has not changed. The problem is with the interpreter. Now if Jesus said that the Father is the only true God(with the word only meaning specifically what it means, no other) than what kind of God or a god is Jesus. To say that there is only one true Almighty God and other small true gods or god is unwarranted in the scripture. It is not allowed in that text. It says that the only true God is the father, than by inescapable logic, the son who is another god, cannot also be a true God or god, therefore must be a false God or god. A reasoning that I'm sure we both disagree with.
>
> Another point or question that I have has to do with the immutability of God. We agree that God is immutable. He does not change. He does not add characteristics to Himself because if He did he would be changing. (This is not the same as the incarnation. That we can discuss in another time) We know that God loves because He is love. In His nature there is love. Is it possible for someone to love something that does not exist. In other words, can you love nothing? No! How can you love something that is not there for you to love. If at one point in time, the Father was without the Son, what then did He love? Himself? We love our self and that is a character of sin. Also we love ourselves but we first learn what love is by loving someone or something else, like our parents as children. So the question is, who did the Father love when there was no Son?
>
> I assume or presuppose that you believe as well as I do, that in Isaiah 9:6 it is referring to the Son, or the Logos. I also acknowledge that you believe that Mighty God referring to the Logos is not the same as Almighty God when referring to the Father. So I don't want to ask you about that because I know that you acknowledge that Jesus is a "Mighty god" but not "Almighty God". But what I do want to ask you, what does "eternal Father" mean to you in that same verse. Does it mean that The Logos is the Father? I don't believe you would say that. So what does "eternal Father" mean. We know that yes, the Logos is a "Mighty God or god" He is the "Wonderful Counselor" He is the "Prince of Peace". But now we need to know what "Eternal Father" is. Does it mean that He is the father of eternity? If this is the case, by definition and logical reasoning and conclusion, then the Son must be before eternity (hence father) therefore be himself eternal.
>
> For now my last question deals with asking you a personal question. Are you a Jehovah's Witness or are you just defending what they believe but are not actually a Witness? The reason for me asking, is that my mother in law has told me that Jehovah's Witnesses are not permitted to debate or argue or try to win arguments like one might do in a formal debate. Also I was under the impression from what my mother in law told me and what I've read in "The Watchtower Magazine" that Jehovah's Witnesses are not permitted or should not read lite> rature that is contrary or against the watchtower. That doing so, is like reading or looking at pornography. Also, one who is a Jehovah's Witness is not allowed to put out literature unless it has been written by the governing body or of someone who works in the watchtower. And also that the literature that is acceptable for study are the ones that are published or written by the watchtower. Granted I may be wrong because things might have changed from when I last spoke to my mother in law.
>
>
> Thank You In Advance For Your Reply