in the first post in this series i discussed the identity of the watchtower as per revelation 13. the second post dealt with the identity of the harlot and the scarlet beast.
this post will deal with the third element "the image of the beast", lets read revelation 13:15-17:.
the second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.
Best post of the week award goes to PSacramento !
Enough attacks from both sides, enough of digging up crap from other forums from years ago, enough labelling people that you disagree with - stick to the topic !
As a side: I love the smell of cigars too - they remind me of my grandad who used to just smoke one a day, I miss him
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
i just wanted to share with you, briefly, what i have come to understand as to why disfellowshipping by the wtbts works... why it can continue being fomented as it is.
i realize there are pages and pages of studies regarding cults and cult mindsets, etc., but i am not going to inundate you with such but rather try to keep this simple.
I TRULY do NOT get this heightened sensivity! Really, I don't! I was NOT insinuating that C would even engage in such conduct - to the contrary, that's why I used HIM as the example... because I could NOT imagine it!
I don't think you were insinuating that, but I can totally understand why someone would be upset with their name being used in such a way - I know I would be! You could have made your point just a well by using Uncle Joe, Ron etc or some other random name.
All MANNER of things are said about me on this site. I take it with a grain of salt because I KNOW the folks who do it don't know me. But goodness... surely you all know I wouldn't think C a molester (OMG!)... or even seriously insinuate he was!
I know and we have been making the effort to clamp down on this as you know but we have to be fair to both sides. I don't think you think he is a monster but again I can see why he was upset and it is the type of comment that is only going to continue that bad feelings.
I would love to see this thread continue as I think it is an interesting discussion which is why I didn't want it to be derailed due to one poorly worded example.
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
i just wanted to share with you, briefly, what i have come to understand as to why disfellowshipping by the wtbts works... why it can continue being fomented as it is.
i realize there are pages and pages of studies regarding cults and cult mindsets, etc., but i am not going to inundate you with such but rather try to keep this simple.
I personally wouldn't run to the authorities unless I was told a little more than "I think Uncle Cofty 'touched' me." - Shelby
This is a classic example of why I have utter contempt for you. - COFTY
Aguest - I totally understand why Cofty is upset here, your comment was out of line there was no need for you to make such a comment. We do not need yet another discussion derailed due to insulting / baiting comments being posted
for those of you who used to be jws, or who are active, if the society was in charge of the earth, how many people do you think you would have seen stoned during your lifetimes?
i realize some elders can be zealous about their work, but if they'd actually had administrative authority to have kh members stoned to death, how many elders did you know who would have been zealous enough to really order them?.
did you know any elders who would have ordered stonings, even if the condemned people had been willing to repent?.
The thread was locked eariler as it wasn't going to go anywhere useful and was going to just cause more bad feeling - there was fault on both sides IMO
Please lets not get off topic here and make this thread into something else.
Thanks
for those of you who used to be jws, or who are active, if the society was in charge of the earth, how many people do you think you would have seen stoned during your lifetimes?
i realize some elders can be zealous about their work, but if they'd actually had administrative authority to have kh members stoned to death, how many elders did you know who would have been zealous enough to really order them?.
did you know any elders who would have ordered stonings, even if the condemned people had been willing to repent?.
Don't be fooled, dear one: that same "stone 'em" mentally now exists right here on good ol' JWN. Never did before. But post that you can hear the voice of the Fine Shepherd (John 10:3, 4, 16, 27; Hebrews 12:25)... and then wait for the pelting. I assure you... it will come, and quickly.
Indeed: 10... 9... 8...
Give it a rest Shelby - you seem to be going out of your way to bring things on yourself sometimes (not all the time) neither side is innocent here, but the type of comment above does not help at all - I am not going to let another thread get derailed into a "voice" debate. It is also disappointing to see what you really think of this forum, we have bent over backwards to keep things under control when there was alot of unfair bullying being thrown your way, but comments like the one above seem to imply that you want it to continue.
first off, i love frequenting this forum.
it has given me the opportunity to truly put jw stuff to the test and i thank everyone for their helpful responses.. however, i have noticed a couple things.. 1) the use of the word "troll" is completely childish.
this is no different than the name calling used by jws (e.g.
Pet peeves of mine - Troll labeling, why can't we give people the benefit of the doubt, if someone is a troll they will show themselves up, there is no need to start a "troll clock" based off a couple of first posts.
Also if someone comes on the forum and mentions that they are still and active JW and still believe some of the teachings - we do not need the "Have you told the elders you are posting here" type of questions, for an active person coming here and posting is a huge step and is probably very scary but it could be the start of their exit - they do not need to be told they are doing something wrong and shouted down because they may still hold onto some of the beliefs which happens occassionally.
long story short.
ive been married for 18 years to my beautiful wife.
when i was younger i had a lot of attention due to my looks which has always made me extremely uncomfortable.
Exercise classes always motivate me more - I find just going to the gym to work out on the treadmill so boring and I don't push myself but if you are in a class you tend to work harder. I recently started going to a Zumba class, it's a great cardio workout but fun and doesn't feel like the usual chore of working out.
http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495.
the bushmaster was left in the car and it was 4 handguns that were used in the massacre!
the media are morons.. .
The Bushmaster was left in the car and it was 4 handguns that were used in the massacre
Oh well thats ok then - it was handguns that were used to massacre the children - I don't think it is the media that is the moron here.
I sent you a PM Grace - we haven't disfellowshipped you I just wasn't online yesterday !!
Not at all Grace - maybe you sent it to the wrong address, PM me the address you have.
