Statues and monuments are symbols of honor and reverence. Now there is a difference between remembering and honoring. Should we remember all of these historical figures? Absolutely! But that’s what museums are for! Let’s put these statues and monuments and other artifacts in a museum where they belong. People can visit and see and learn all they want. But it is a different story to have a statue honoring the president of the confederacy, a rebel nation, sitting in the middle of a public park.
Hisclarkness
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Removing Historic Monuments and Statues - Does the Term "Historical" Make it Right or Wrong?
by RubaDub inafter further review and thought, i really don't see how removing a monument or statue that may be truly offensive to a large group of people is in some way rewriting history.. i think of germany or other parts of europe.
you don't see swastikas on buildings or statues of hitler or mussolini or other upper level generals in public.
would it be good for a person (think jewish) to drive around a city and see hitler in a public park, even though it is "historical?
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Hisclarkness
If you haven’t heard of attempts to have these monuments removed until now then you have not been attune to these issues. If officials had removed them DECADES ago when people really started petitioning to have them removed, then there wouldn’t be people tearing them down now. As long as I can remember, I can think of times when people wanted these things removed. -
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HBO removes Gone with the Wind because its offensive.
by phoenixrising inas the altleftist idiots burn books, ban speech and now ban movies that does not conform to their twisted thinking never forget, those that start by burning books end up burning bodies.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/10/business/media/gone-with-the-wind-hbo-max.html.
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Hisclarkness
Phoenixrising said:
“Hisc, you are out and out WRONG. But I think you know that already. There was one person [a usual suspect ] on the news today calling for a ban on some dog cartoon because it makes cops look like good guys. There is no defense of this shit except to just lie and deny it like Hisc.”Wow. All I did was quote the article that YOU posted and literally restate it in my own words. And now I’m lying and denying?For the record, I have no problem with Gone With the Wind or any other period movie. I understand that they are products of their time and not necessarily reflective of today’s values. -
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HBO removes Gone with the Wind because its offensive.
by phoenixrising inas the altleftist idiots burn books, ban speech and now ban movies that does not conform to their twisted thinking never forget, those that start by burning books end up burning bodies.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/10/business/media/gone-with-the-wind-hbo-max.html.
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Hisclarkness
Nobody is erasing Gone With the Wind from history.
“The streaming service pledged to eventually bring the film back “with a discussion of its historical context” while denouncing its racial missteps, a spokesperson said in a statement on Tuesday.”
All they are doing is temporarily removing the movie while they add a disclaimer discussing historical context. They are not removing permanently or even editing the movie in any way.
Let’s not over dramatize what is happening.
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Black Lives Matter—Do You Agree With Their Philosophy?
by minimus ini agree with people who say all lives matter.
i think blm is a racist group.
if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..
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Hisclarkness
Simon said:
”If you are going to deliberately post ridiculous claims and lie about what people have said then you don't belong to this forum because it looks like you're just trolling or else lack the intelligence to take part in a productive discussion.”
I hardly post on this forum because the discussions always get heated and any points made lose all credibility behind the harsh attitudes many people here have. I chose to speak on this issue because I feel personally affected by it. I spoke my peace. I tried to do it as respectfully as possible.
From this short exchange you have insinuated that I:
- am deliberately posting ridiculous claims and lies
- am possibly trolling
- and/or lack the intelligence to take part in a productive discussion
If that’s the way you treat people who disagree with you, then that’s fine. I was willing to respectfully engage with you.
I shared my experience and my view and you wanted stats.
I provided stats and you said I was twisting the stats.
I asked you to present stats for your side of the argument.
You said it’s not about stats, it’s about experiences.
Simon, there is no trolling here. We just disagree. You don’t have to insinuate that I’m too dumb or that maybe I shouldn’t be on the forum. Not everyone with an opposite view is an enemy that you have to beat down to a pulp.
I’ve said my side. It’s on the thread for the record. I’m glad I was able to be one of the very few voices to give the other side of the coin. And people can judge either way as they see fit. That’s all.
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Black Lives Matter—Do You Agree With Their Philosophy?
by minimus ini agree with people who say all lives matter.
i think blm is a racist group.
if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..
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Hisclarkness
Furthermore, I am a black man, part of the 13% population. I am not a murderer; I have never committed a crime in my life.
To say that 13% commit 50% of murder is to lump me and the millions of other law abiding black citizens into your murder percentage. Do you not see the statistical fallacy?
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Black Lives Matter—Do You Agree With Their Philosophy?
by minimus ini agree with people who say all lives matter.
i think blm is a racist group.
if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..
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Hisclarkness
Simon said:
” Simple version: despite being only 13% of the population, blacks commit over 50% of murders.”
Incorrect. Populations don’t commit crimes; people do. I didn’t twist the numbers; you did.
I stand by the official statistics that I cited. Crime is committed on an equal level between black and white people.
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Black Lives Matter—Do You Agree With Their Philosophy?
by minimus ini agree with people who say all lives matter.
i think blm is a racist group.
if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..
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Hisclarkness
Simon asks me for stats; says I don’t have any.
I provide official government stats.
Simon rejects stats and says, “ It's not just some abstract figure on a spreadsheet. These are real life experience for people”
Oh, you mean, kinda like how black people are trying to tell you about their experience dealing with institutional racism?
By the way, Simon, where are YOUR statistics to back up your argument? Official government statistics please and not just you talking out of the air.
I hope you guys see what he’s doing here.
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Black Lives Matter—Do You Agree With Their Philosophy?
by minimus ini agree with people who say all lives matter.
i think blm is a racist group.
if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..
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Hisclarkness
Simon,
My official government statistics are BS? Ok.
Like I said, I had a feeling I could provide statistics and it wouldn’t make a difference. All of the statistics show that crime is committed by whites and blacks pretty evenly across the board.
Again, I’ve said my peace. Be well everybody.
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Black Lives Matter—Do You Agree With Their Philosophy?
by minimus ini agree with people who say all lives matter.
i think blm is a racist group.
if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..
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Hisclarkness
Here’s one more statistic about the number of deaths while in police custody in the US compared to Australia and the UK:
Last year, 1,348 in the US died AFTER being taken into police custody. That’s 12 per every 100K arrests.
Australia had 21 people die. That’s 5 for every 100K arrests.
The UK had 13 people. That’s 2 per 100k arrests.
Why such the disparity? We are not talking about the people dying while police are in pursuit. We are talking about after they are already in custody. This is a police brutality issue.
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Black Lives Matter—Do You Agree With Their Philosophy?
by minimus ini agree with people who say all lives matter.
i think blm is a racist group.
if white people pushed an agenda saying white lives matter, some people would have a conniption..
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Hisclarkness
Simon, here are my statistics:
Go to the FBI website and look at their latest data.
Here are some highlights:5025 black people were arrested last year for murder. It is important to note that this is the number of arrests; this number doesn’t show if a person was arrested multiple times or if that person was later proven not guilty. But let’s just go with this number.There were 9468 murders committed last year. So black people committed approximately 53% of the murders. That looks bad.The FBI website says that there were approximately 47 million black people in the US last year. That’s around 13% of the population. But if only 5023 black people were arrested (assuming they were all different people) then that means that only 0.010% of black people are murderers.If I compare that same data to white people, then only 0.0050% of white people are murderers.If you add up all the crime arrests and not just murder and crunch the same data, then the numbers will show that 94.6% of black people are law abiding citizens compared to 95.8% of white people. Those numbers are not far off from one another at all.Crime is related to poverty. What about those statistics?Go to the Bureau of Justice website and look at their data. Here are some highlights:- poor Hispanics (25.3 per 1,000) had lower rates of violence compared to poor whites (46.4 per 1,000) and poor blacks (43.4 per 1,000)
- Poor persons living in urban areas (43.9 per 1,000) had violent victimization rates similar to poor persons living in rural areas (38.8 per 1,000)
- Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000)
- Violence against persons in poor (51%) and low income (50%) households was more likely to be reported to the police than violence against persons in mid-(43%) and high-income (45%) households.
So according to statistics black crime in poor and urban areas is similar to white crime in those same areas.Other highlights:“Black on black” is 63% while “white on white” crime is 56%.Again, the numbers are not terribly far off from one another. But why is “black on black” crime even a thing? Why don’t we ever talk about “white on white” crime?Go back to the FBI website data.Black on black murder rate is 89%White on white murder rate is 81%To even bring up black on black crime as if that’s something black people don’t care about is careless and disingenuous. Just because you don’t see everything black people do to address black on black crime, does that mean the efforts don’t exist?This is a statistic from the US Partnership on Mobility and Poverty: the average white person lives in an area that is 75% white and 8% percent black.So how do you presume to know that no one is addressing the “black on black” crime?A recent peer review study showed that black people have the highest rate of community service at 52.9% compared to white people at 41.9%.The latest charitable giving as a share of median family wealth data shows that black people give 8% compared to white people at 2%.Why are these numbers important? Do a quick google search on the number of black lives matter protests. Now google the number of “stop the violence” rallies.I believe the data will show that black people DO in fact care about black on black crime in their communities. Black people commit more time and money to the crime happening in their communities than white people. There are hundreds of black fraternities, sororities, church groups, mentoring organizations, after school programs, community centers, athletic teams, science clubs, music groups, and even FISH FRIES dedicated to stopping violence in black communities. However, this should not be an issue to be brought up to deflect from the OP of this thread.So after reading all this data showing that rates are pretty similar across the board and that black people actually invest MORE time and money towards solving these issues, why do people still insist with the perception that black men are more dangerous than white men??