Posts by XQsThaiPoes

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Just being honest...

by Country Girl in

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for me, being raised as a jehovah's witness denied me of the feelings of empathy other people feel.

for so long, i felt no love for my family, no closeness except that closeness that is demanded by my being greek.

i think it made me into a robot.

I don't know from what I see many people are in such a rat race the are too overwhelmed to feel empathy. The its either me or them attitude seems to control many peoples actions. Sure a starving person in another land will make them pause and may cause a few tears, but if the person was in their own nieborhood they would not help them. I am not saying everyone is like this, but it a urban area you seem to be hit over the head with the lack of empathy by others every day.

Maybe the rat race life style of some jws erodes their empathy.

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the united nation scandal and all other Watchtower Society scandals

by booker-t in

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i was recently talking to a jw elder at my job that i have been working at for over 20 years(he knows that i am da'ed but still talks to me trying to get me to come back) and i brought up the un scandal and all of the wts scandals that are hitting the wts.

he said it does not surprise him that "apostates" would try and deceive many jw's with lies and 1/2 truths.

i told him that i can get a printed copy of the un ngo membership and that the wts was a member for over 10 years.

XQsThaiPoes

Bestiality has been dfable since I believe the 60's. I don't feel like pulling the article. I hope I was making it clear that they switch sides when it comes to sex. For example if you are raped and don't scream it is fornication. If you are raped and don't scream it is not fornication. If you scream during fornication it is rape (yes i have seen this one put into practice). These two issues have been ping ponged every few months some years.

My grand father a wonderful PO said the bestiality change was a power keg back then. Brothers that had farms were almost DFed the WTS had to redefine what bestiality was because when they first made it a things like milking cows, using certain kinds of harnesses, giving animals suppositories, and assisting births were all bestiality because the shy city boys in NY broadly defined it as manipulating the genitals of animals. I assume the vague definition was used because explicitly explaining that people do engage in sex acts with animals was too taboo. They had to issue a new narrower policy.

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New change in abuse policy?

by XQsThaiPoes in

a family member that is a elder told us that now two spousal abuse charges (filed with the police) is a dfing offense for the abuser, and that they are free to remarry (i assume he means the elders won't df the victim for adultry).

i assume this is local elder margin of your pa book eddicts.

because the watchtowers official stance has not changed.

XQsThaiPoes

A family member that is a elder told us that now two spousal abuse charges (filed with the police) is a dfing offense for the abuser, and that they are free to remarry (I assume he means the elders won't df the victim for adultry). I assume this is local elder margin of your PA book eddicts. Because the watchtowers official stance has not changed. The reason he told us was to warn a family member about their spouse bait them into abuse*. So I am taking this as accurate info at least for our circuit.

*I am not going to explain more about their problems, and i am not blaming the victim, but it is the case of who did what first/ self defense type thing that takes too much analization to figure out who is the victim. If you want a clean JW divorce under this new policy it is easy for a person to orcastrate a violent incident by "acidentaly" spiting on, violent gesturing, pretending to hit, or what ever.

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the united nation scandal and all other Watchtower Society scandals

by booker-t in

jw
friends

i was recently talking to a jw elder at my job that i have been working at for over 20 years(he knows that i am da'ed but still talks to me trying to get me to come back) and i brought up the un scandal and all of the wts scandals that are hitting the wts.

he said it does not surprise him that "apostates" would try and deceive many jw's with lies and 1/2 truths.

i told him that i can get a printed copy of the un ngo membership and that the wts was a member for over 10 years.

XQsThaiPoes

Um he is confused. He is mixing incidents, and rationalizing. The 36k number was pulled out of the air. They DF that many people every year or so for "immorality".

THe purging he was talking about did happen at bethel and a few other congos in the 80's one was in our area. THey also "purged" people by making more things DFable. For example bestiality was not a dfing offense. Married hetrosexual Sodomy was DFable but isnt anymore. Also child abuse/ incest was not dfable because children must honor their parents, and now it is. Not all of these changes happend in the 80's many of them came in the 50s-70s.

From what I hear in our circuit two counts of spousal abuse after a warning from the elders is dfable and the person is scriptually free to remarry. I just found this out last week from a relative that is an elder. It is a new policy that I assume they wrote in the margins of their elders books. So he may be talking about local changes not unilateral ones. The org is not homogenous it is a collections of fiefdoms. So he may be able to point at changes those local brothers were ordered to make, but that does not mean it was universal.

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JW father in India chooses faith over his daughter's life

by Gopher in

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1046883,0006.htm

man chooses faith over his daughter?s lifepramod giri.

siliguri, october 8. a man in west bengal who refused to provide a blood transfusion to his critically ill daughter because his religion forbade it has been arrested.. sanjay lakra is a follower of the group jehovah's witnesses, who believe that blood transfusions are a sin.

XQsThaiPoes

Pole I sorta agree, but from personal experience the system is not noble as the one you just described. You did not put in the part about choosing who has to ignore their belief depending on what legal liability or public relations campaign the local branch office has. Religions should not have small print. I know you guys may ignore the damage loosing credibility can have on a person. Sure the pateint may get blood, but is that fair to the patients that died thinking there religion really required them to abstain from blood? WHat about the confusion or guilt of knowing you were allowed to have a tranfusion that you really did not want, and that the same people that allowed it would have dfed or daed you if you publicly decided on your own to take one? Doesn't it make you feel ashamed when they lie to other people about how you recovered when you know it was because you had a transfusion?

I am not saying death is better, but it is freaky when you basically find out people are being killed by a paper tiger. Paper cuts hurt. Espeacially as a child.

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I need the full page illustration of possible impalement

by Mulan in

in the large jw reference bible (page 1578) is a drawing of a man dying on an upright pole.

in penton's book, apocalypse delayed, there is a reference on page 342 to that illustration, mentioning it is only one of 16 drawings, 13 of which show a cross beam.

(another deceitful attempt by jw's).

XQsThaiPoes

No arguement there, but big tobacco did the same thing in a court of law. So this type of thing is not unusual.

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~Please help answer this question about a Watchtower doctrine~

by FlyingHighNow in

does anyone know what year the wtbts started teaching the mortality of the soul doctrine?

did it preceed the earthly hope doctrine?

i'm curious to know if the wtbts started teaching that your body is your soul, so that they could explain what happens to those with an earthly hope or who look forward to an earthly, fleshly resurrection.. knowing the answer to this question would help me let go of that brainwashing, that we don't have a separate, spirtual soul.

XQsThaiPoes

the problem i think is cross culture jargon. If you want to get all litteral i believe basically soul means breather spirit means air. The problem comes up when you start taking literal words and then trying to figure out what the writer thousands of years ago ment. From what I have researched before the era of science there was a lot more blood and bone magic involved in death. Because nowdays in most western culture we dont believe in this gory magic it is hard to understand what the people that invented your religion believed.

I find it spooky how in other countries christians still practic basically necromancy. If a jewish guy told me that he was going to pray while rubbing my corpse in herbs, then stick me in a hole to rot, then clean my bones, and put them in a shoe box so when jesus comes he can call my physical bones out of the grave to live on some floating mountian in the middle east I would think he was crazy. It seriously feels like christianity has been reinvented (in some weird neo buddhist way)from a blood and bone cult to some new age metaphysical religion. Because the way many christians talk about the soul and death does not really match the customs or beliefs of the people that founded their religion.

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I need the full page illustration of possible impalement

by Mulan in

in the large jw reference bible (page 1578) is a drawing of a man dying on an upright pole.

in penton's book, apocalypse delayed, there is a reference on page 342 to that illustration, mentioning it is only one of 16 drawings, 13 of which show a cross beam.

(another deceitful attempt by jw's).

XQsThaiPoes

LL all I see is them giving opinion. It is basically saying some obscure fact that make a possibility then stating this is what they believe. In my book printing something does not make an arguement. For example I could print seragate invitro fetilization is adultry. Thats not an arguement. If they print "Jesus died on a pole" , that does nothing for their arguement that he did. I mean one citation says basically the equivalent of humans are mammals, dogs are not human, and therefore dogs are not mammals.

Maybe I am reading these quotes wrong, but I think there is a difference in knowing vs believing. The watchtower likes to make them synonyms. Most of their arguements start off there is controversy regarding X, and therefore you should believe Y just because we say so. Evolution, stem cells, IVF, cloning, neo babylonian chronology whatever they are out of there league in. If the watchtower was allowed to tell JWs how to vote (they can't legaly) they would say something like, "there is a controversy about bush vs kerry. bush has ridden in a fighter airplane. Vote bush." I hope i am not sounding hostile.

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I need the full page illustration of possible impalement

by Mulan in

in the large jw reference bible (page 1578) is a drawing of a man dying on an upright pole.

in penton's book, apocalypse delayed, there is a reference on page 342 to that illustration, mentioning it is only one of 16 drawings, 13 of which show a cross beam.

(another deceitful attempt by jw's).

XQsThaiPoes

I dont really get the point. There are lots of ways to impale a person. What if the JWs believe jesus was hung on a traditional cross upside down? The watchtower is pretty clear that they have no Idea how Jesus died they just don't like the + shape because it eliminates other options.

THey have pretty much the same arguement for the traditional cross. It's a JW tradition and because you can't prove other wise they are keeping it. To be fair they should show Jesus in various forms of impalement, but religion was never about being fair so why bother. In russia the cross sometimes has two bars. It does not really matter. I mean there are people with pretty good agruments that Jesus is a composite of many other people and stories, the events of the gosple never all happend to one person, and that christianity is basically a first century semitic urban legend.

Unless they are arguing what the watchtower printed vs the contents of the 16th century book (which I doubt). I can't figure out what they are argueing about one camp likes a monorail the other a cross. The muslims and jews believe jesus existed maybe we should ask them what he died on?

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My Mother's Being Announced in November As OFF The Pioneer List

by minimus in

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after 40 years of serving as a regular pioneer and being on the infirm list, the circuit overseer, the po and another elder told her today in a 30 min.

conversation she was going to be announced as no longer pioneering.

the co mostly talked about me, my wife and daughter.

XQsThaiPoes

Yeah or lead to depression for a person that age or any age. She used to joke about being the only jw told not to preach, or being the only one given a retirement party. It was sad now that you bring it up. Forget all the hurt feelings, scandals, and madness this is still a religion that is real and meaningful to many people. It seems wrong when this happens. Like them saying "suprise you're on candid camera. This preaching work nonsense was all a joke."