Here is a math trick from God. It is so unbelievable that it will stump you. 1. Grab a calculator. (you won't be able to do this one in your head) 2. Key in the first three digits of your phone number (NOT the area code) 3. Multiply by 80 4. Add 1 5. Multiply by 250 6. Add the last 4 digits of your phone number 7. Add the last 4 digits of your phone number again. 8. Subtract 250 9. Divide number by 2 What number do you get? Cool, eh?
Amazing1914
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Math Trick from God !
by Amazing1914 in6. add the last 4 digits of your phone number .
7. add the last 4 digits of your phone number again.
what number do you get?
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Society corrupts "AGAPE"
by Amazing1914 inperhaps one of the most ludicrous and insidious sins of the watchtower corporation is how they twisted and corrupted the greek word agape' to mean something that it does not mean.
if you ask jws what agape means, they will respond with some rubbish about 'principled' love, then go on to discuss showing love by being at meetings, out in field service, or by shunning some ex-jw.
an example of their agape styled love can be found in only one use of it in 1999:
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Amazing1914
Perhaps one of the most ludicrous and insidious sins of the Watchtower corporation is how they twisted and corrupted the Greek word Agape' to mean something that it does not mean. If you ask JWs what Agape means, they will respond with some rubbish about 'principled' love, then go on to discuss showing love by being at meetings, out in field service, or by shunning some ex-JW.
An example of their Agape styled love can be found in only one use of it in 1999:
July 1, 1999 Watchtower: Parents - What Does Your Example Teach? 13 Expressing unselfish love: One of the most important lessons to be fortified by example is the meaning of love. "We love, because [God] first loved us." (1 John 4:19) He is the Source and supreme example of love. This principled love, a·ga'pe, is mentioned in the Bible more than 100 times. It is a quality that identifies true Christians. (John 13:35) Such love is to be shown toward God and Jesus Christ and also by humans toward one another, even toward humans for whom we may not feel a fondness. (Matthew 5:44, 45; 1 John 5:3)
The Society utterly fails to take note that Jesus discussed far more than "fondness" or lack thereof, in Matthew 4:43-44. Instead, this was the famous Sermon on the Mount, where Jesus commenced his ministry. The scripture citation the Society makes at the end, Matthew 5:44 discusses loving your enemies! But, no, the Society waters it down to those for whom we are not especially fond.
Back in 1999, in the subsequent Watchtower magazine, the Society discusses Hatred and its three special meanings. After a brief discussion on the first two types of Hatred, the Society goes into great detail to describe Hate No. 3:
July 15, 1999 Watchtower: Christ Hated Lawlessness - Do You? " Three Kinds of Hatred" 5 Then there is the meaning of the word "hate" with which we are especially concerned here. It has the thought of having such an intense feeling of dislike for or strong aversion to someone or something that we avoid having anything to do with such a person or thing. In Psalm 139 this is spoken of as a complete hatred. There David said: "Do I not hate those who are intensely hating you, O Jehovah, and do I not feel a loathing for those revolting against you? With a complete hatred I do hate them. They have become to me real enemies." Psalm 139:21, 22.
How does the Society now apply Hate No. 3 in a Christian manner? The same article goes on to say:
Hating False Religion and Apostasy 19 The obligation to hate lawlessness also applies to all activity by apostates. Our attitude toward apostates should be that of David, who declared: "Do I not hate those who are intensely hating you, O Jehovah, and do I not feel a loathing for those revolting against you? With a complete hatred I do hate them. They have become to me real enemies." (Psalm 139:21, 22) Modern-day apostates have made common cause with "the man of lawlessness," the clergy of Christendom.
Oddly enough, the Jesus Christ teaches us to love our enemies, whereas the Watchtower Society teaches that this only applies to those for whom we are not especially fond - but - if they are Watchtower enemies that they have labeled "apostates," then one must apply and exercise Hate No. 3. Fanscinating!
So, how does the Watchtower Society deal with Agape in their Bible dictionary called Insight on the Scriptures?
Insight, Vol. II, P. 273 says: James Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, in its Greek dictionary (1890, pp. 75, 76), remarks under phi·le'o: "To be a friend to (fond of [an individual or an object]), i.e. have affection for (denoting personal attachment, as a matter of sentiment or feeling; while [a·ga·pa'o] is wider, embracing espec. the judgment and the deliberate assent of the will as a matter of principle, duty and propriety . . . )." See AFFECTION.
The Watchtower Society focuses in on "principle" in their partial quote of Strong's Concordance. However, reading the entire context of the Insight article reveals that the Watchtower Society does make a generally fair discussion of Agape, including being affectionate, and not using it in a "cold justice" application.
The Insight book continued, A·ga'pe, therefore, carries the meaning of love guided, or governed, by principle. It may or may not include affection and fondness. That a·ga'pe may include affection and warmth is evident in many passages.
Contrasting this, what did Jesus teach about love, which was later translated into Greek using the word Agape?:
Matthew 5:43 and 44: "Ye have heard that it hath been said, 'Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.' But I say unto you, Love (Agape) your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; (Luke 6:27 makes the same essential point)
What then, does Agape really mean? The Watchtower Society knows, for you can find it in their materials like the Insight volumes. But their primary focus, through the Watchtower magazine, and in their oral tradition, avoids the proper expression of love in favor of their organizational agenda to hate former JWs who no longer agree with their teachings.Galatians 5:22-23 says: "But the fruit of the Spirit is love (Agape), joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, m eekness, temperance: against such there is no law."
Therefore, essential Bible teaching about the fruitage of the Spirit includes Agape (to love your enemies) as something which is not governed by Law. In other words, no human can set any boundaries upon how, or to what extent, which we express and show Agape to our friends and enemies alike!
Further, here is the real rub: If we are to love our enemies, to do good to them, pray for them, hope for them, care for them that persecute us, then what kind of love is that? It is Unconditional Love. The Watchtower Society, in its contorted and twisted maneuverings managed to cause JWs to miss out on the most important thing they could ever enjoy - unconditional love - for that is the love with which we are to also have for God. Receiving and giving unconditional love is what truly make us feel complete, fulfilled, and happy.
Notice how Jesus stresses unconditional love for God and neighbor, as it was later translated using the Greek word, Agape:
Matthew 22:37-40: Jesus said unto him, "Thou shalt love (Apage) the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love (Agape) thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
The entire theme of the Bible hangs upon our showing unconditional Agape love to God, our Father and our neighbors, be they friends or enemies.
This is among the many ways which expose the Watchtower Society as a false religion - or better stated - the religious book-selling corporation equivalent of Wal-Mart. Anything like unconditional love that might get in the way of organizational policies and sales goals must be "adjusted" to make sure that the JWs continue to be unconditionally loyal to the Organization and sell more books and magazines, and bring in more book-selling recruits.
And the Organization said, "You shall call your new corporate sales people - Publishers!"
Agape love is principled, but it also is affectionate and is unconditional precisely because it includes loving and doing good to one's enemies.
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Jeremiah Films: Witnesses of Jehovah
by El blanko inanybody else seen this film (he asks knowing that loads probably have) - the documentary was released in 1986 and features raymond franz and other key ex-jws at that time.
the style of presentation is very 70s.
i managed to grab a high quality mpg from a friend.
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Amazing1914
Hi,
I have the film. I think it is poor quality, and done in such a biased manner, that the creators looks as silly as the JWs. I asked Ray Franz about this film when I visited with him. He regretted doing it once he saw how the editing was done.
Jim W.
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What's the best way to FADE away from the JW's?
by JH inwhat do you think is the best way to fade away from the jw org, without being df'd and without being bothered by them?.
just stop going and not answer their calls?.
change congregation, and never show up?.
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I tried the "taking a break" routine, but it did not last. I partly caused my own difficulty because I wanted to fade quietly, yet still say things and influence people.
Were I to do it over again, and could keep my trap shut, I would quietly move to another area far far away ... and never let anyone in the local congregation, or any JW anywhere for that matter, know where I moved. This way, I could start a new life and time would make them forget me. This works well if your immediate family goes with you, and the rest of your friends and family are non-JWs.
However, in many ways, I like the way I did it also. I got my family out and a few friends. I made many new friends, re-established old non-JW friends and family ... and ... got to make public statements and openly keep my personal integrity. I walk right among JWs with my head held high. I believe that the more we make a public show of their system, exposing it for what it is, then in time we will fair much better, and help many more to leave the religion ... and ... have more fun.
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Stupid Analogies/Illustrations/examples you hear dubs say over and over
by doodle-v inwhat are some stupid analogies that you here dubs use all the time to explain their faulty, destructing teachings?
or maybe ones you've used in the past that when you think about them now, make you cringe?.
here are a few that come to mind:.
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Amazing1914
Here is a classic:
When you place a frog in a hot pan of water, it will jump out right away. But, if you place it in a cool pan of water, and gradually turn up the heat, you can eventually cook the frog, but he will never notice.
The moral of the story: If we are deep in the truth, attending all meetings, study mags, etc. and we are suddenly exposed to immoral things of the world, we will quickly resist and jump away from the spiritual danger like the first frog. But, if we miss meetings, fail to read the Watchtower, and associate with the brothers, we will g-r-a-d-u-a-l-l-y begin to toy around with the world, and eventually get cooked but Satan, yet never notice what happened to us!
Hell fire baby! You have been cooked by JWD HELLFIRE!!!
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Jesus Christ denied Driver License
by Amazing1914 inthat's right, a man named jesus christ was denied a driver license by the state of west virginia because they do not like his name.. this reminds me that i knew an engineer named jesus (jay) christ.
he would sign test reports as j. christ.
we used to smile because somehow it was hard to question a report signed by j. christ.
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Amazing1914
That's right, a man named Jesus Christ was denied a Driver License by the State of West Virginia because they do not like his name.
This reminds me that I knew an engineer named Jesus (Jay) Christ. He would sign test reports as J. Christ. We used to smile because somehow it was hard to question a report signed by J. Christ. I mean, who were we to criticize the work of Christ.
Anyway, the man who was denied a license, was not born with the name as the fella I knew. And I guess the State of W. Virginia just does not see the humor. So, the man has retained an attorney to fight the State so he, Jesus Christ, can hold a valid driver's license.
Amen, Lord Jesus, Amen!
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Should JW's be trying to convert others to their faith?
by Rod P inif you think about it, what happens if one of the persons in a marriage gets converted to the jw religion, while the other one chooses not to believe?
or the husband is at work, and the wife gets to meet the jw at the door, has bible studies with them, gets converted, and then the husband wakes up one day and finds he is living with a jw mate.
what happens if a jw couple is out in the field service, and one gets converted to another religion, precisely as a result of doing the kingdom field service work.. in all of these instances, it results in a religiously divided home.
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Preaching to gain converts is a main feature of the JW belief system. So, those JWs who truly believe the religion should be preaching. This would equally apply to any group. Thier preaching is not the problem, rather it is "what they preach" that causes serious difficulty. - Jim W.
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Watchtower Votes in United Nations Affairs
by Dogpatch inwatchtower votes in united nations affairs
after clicking on each one of those symbols listed and matching under the (watchtower) name, the reader found u.n. resolutions with a vote of (yes) located beside the words (voting summary) in scans #4 and #6. scan # 4 listed a vote of (yes) u.n. meeting no.
scan #5. if we had clicked on the 2nd un symbol that was located back on scan # 3, then we would come up with this page, which shows another (yes) vote by (total voting membership) or 015---------see scan # 6 (this scan)------------then scan # 7 will show what was voted on (found by clicking on (full english text) see this scan and last scan # 7----coming after this one.. .
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Amazing1914
Hi Randy,
Those resolutions are Security Council resolutions. Ther Un Security Council is made up of 15 members, 5 permanent, and 10 rotating.
I am not sure how the Watchtower Society could fit into this, except those are resolutions listed in pages associated with their membership record. Likely, they are informative notices.
This is interesting matierial, but more research needs to be done.
Jim W.
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Amazing1914
Gumby,
The article should have continued with...."And a man who's nose is beet red, with veins bulging out of it from drinking to much frickin vodka, shouldn't ever be president of the Watchtower Society".
AMEN !!!
Btw: I got your PM, but I have been out of my office. I will PM you shortly with some info.
Jim W.
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Attention all you wacky evolutionists!
by AlmostAtheist inevolution versus creation has been beat to death lately, this isn't another debate thread.
i wanted to showcase a hugely funny site i found when researching creationists' views.
note that i don't believe this site in any way depicts the beliefs of most creationists.
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Amazing1914
drwtsn32,
This site has to be a satire. A very, very good satire!
I was thinking the same thing when I saw your comment. You know, the more I looked at their material, the more I have to agree with you. If read as satire, it is also excellent comedy! Jim W.